Comments on: Friendfeed’s Bret Taylor talks XMPP on Gillmor Gang

By: Mason Lee

Mason Lee — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:04:38 +0000

Hi Rob. Agree with you about “products” being king, but not sure what you mean about XMPP not being more fundamentally “real-time” than HTTP.

True, XMPP does send a lot of presence info, but if there’s a lot of “real time” data aside from that, the presence overhead will be relatively small vs. having to make a new HTTP request for each bit of new data. Even long-polling HTTP requires a new HTTP request be made for each bit of data.

Steve, Brett. Love the conversation.

–Mason

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links for 2008-11-11 « 個人的な雑記 — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:04:18 +0000

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By: Rob Spectre

Rob Spectre — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:02:17 +0000

I really don’t understand what the hell Mark was talking about. In the babbling that preceded what may have eventually evolved into a question, Mark mentioned that he technically “knew enough to be dangerous.” I think before the call dropped off that assertion was revealed to be charitable.

XMPP is no more fundamentally engineered to be a “real-time” protocol than HTTP. The lionshare of Jabber traffic is redundant presence overhead just as the lionshare of web traffic is connection setup and acknowledgement. The capability of either to satisfy a user need in real-time is dependent completely on its implementation.

A protocol is not a product, and FriendFeed is a product company. Their continued attention to their products will produce effective software. Peeling that attention away to work on a protocol might produce effective standards.

But which do you think will satisfy more users or build a stronger company?

By: Andy

Andy — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:19:34 +0000

Friendfeed is running full steam ahead technology, innovation, and feature-wise, twitter appears to be out of steam in those areas. As long as twitter doesn’t become an albatross around ff’s neck, it could work.

Since friendfeed is a superset of twitter, if ff were to merge with twitter, the entire twitter staff, and much of the technology, would be redundant.

By: Allan

Allan — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 04:13:12 +0000

If this economic downturn causes companies to seek M&A options in order to survive, could we see a combination of Twitter and FriendFeed?