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By: The case for Web apps « Karl’s Blog

The case for Web apps « Karl’s Blog — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 00:47:46 +0000

[...] vendors call the shots. Recently, Sun Microsystems CEO Jonathan Schwartz described the browser as “hostile territory” for independent developers. It’s a world divided between giants, he said, with [...]

By: Greg

Greg — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:27:31 +0000

Sun took far far too long to engage in this space and quite frankly the vast majority of those that could have moved on. Its only those who are still clinging to wanting to do EVERYTHING in Java without having to learn a new language or platform that are still an audience for JavaFX and quite frankly those people aren’t the early adopters and such that will make the types of innovative apps necessary for JavaFX to rise above the noise of Flex and Silverlight.

Sun would do well to find a better business model than “if we make it, eventually we’ll find a way to make money on it” because that model died in the 90s with most of the customers that Sun made its fortune on.

By: rd

rd — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:10:55 +0000

So JavaFX is not on the iphone …big F’ing deal !! Maybe you should get out of the affluent parts of the united states and check out how popular the iphone adoption is. You will get your answer. There is a world out there which couldnt care less about iphones.

By: Ohad

Ohad — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:32:54 +0000

I agree with most of your insights re. Safari and Firefox, but these Browsers are still a long way from being full fledged Application-Platforms.

The existing paradigm of the browser is still, well, browsing. Applications like Site-Specific-Browsers and newer browsers like Chrome take that extra step that redefines how web-applications can be used.

By: Joe

Joe — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:52:39 +0000

> Problem with Sun is they don’t really participate in open source, so they are on the outside looking in. This is why Microsoft really has the lead,

Oh please. Java is open source you idiot. Sun has a long history of supporting the open source community. What Microsoft has done pales into insignificance.

By: Magnetic Separator

Magnetic Separator — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:00:23 +0000

It looks really a superbe-simplification of the java language geared for gui productivity.

By: bob pellham

bob pellham — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:43:55 +0000

Why on earth should Sun give a crap about two bit retailers like NewEgg and Tiger Direct? I order direct from Sun, I get the kit I want through their trial programs, and avoid the pimply faced kid at the retailer.

Besides, NewEgg and TigerDirect are both headed to bankruptcy. You must be one of their employees.

By: Smart

Smart — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:18:57 +0000

Sure, the browser is a limitation — but its about the users!

Adobe Flash has this game won with 98% market control. If any company is going to have any chance to compete at all, its going to Microsoft and its billions.

Sun is over-reaching and proves again that they are irrelevant to consumers.

By: Peter Pell

Peter Pell — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:38:24 +0000

Java losing share on the back end? What? You must work at like a shoe store or something. Just about 100% of the next generation transactional systems are running it, with more every day. SQL Server’s dying, MySQL’s rising, so is tomcat, etc.

By: Eric Manas

Eric Manas — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:51:53 +0000

Problem with Sun is they don’t really participate in open source, so they are on the outside looking in. This is why Microsoft really has the lead, they’ve extended the oliver branch with Silverlight, and are making serious inroads. I’m seeing tremendous pickup, especially on mobile.

By: Sergey's Mom

Sergey's Mom — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:23:46 +0000

Sorry mate – you haven’t a clue – you must work for a failing bank (that is really dying to write more CORBA code) – java is losing share every day in the back end – unless you are in bed with larryE

By: sherwood park jobs

sherwood park jobs — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:21:46 +0000

In todays world the trend of life changing day by day but one must observe that the value for JAVA is going to the peak level by inventing new techniques really Hatsoff to the people, company as well as the staff for developing a new softwares.

By: RIA Revolution » Escape the Browser?

RIA Revolution » Escape the Browser? — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:47:50 +0000

[...] Crunch posted an interesting video and a write-up summarizing Sun’s Jonathan Schwartz’s take on where the next generation of venues for the networked…. With the recent release of JavaFX, this may also give us a clue on where Sun things it may have [...]

By: Launch of JavaFX 1.0 | Internet Marketing Techniques

Launch of JavaFX 1.0 | Internet Marketing Techniques — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:26:56 +0000

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By: Avatar

Avatar — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:16:15 +0000

I think that what he means that in a general perspective. java loses marketshare by a fraction or fractions of a point in a monthly basis in the enterprise. it is indeed twice as large as .net on the enterprise. but on the small business and consumer desktop, they are already close in size. Silverlight will give the upper hand to .net in the consumer desktop and the small business desktop in a year time against Java. and in terms of the enterprise i can easily expect that .net via WPF or Silverlight will do lots of inroads against java.

By: DonkeyPunch

DonkeyPunch — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:28:56 +0000

They need a better website to show this off. The other comments are correct, it takes forever to load these things (in Chrome) and the permission dialog is probably fatal from a user standpoint.

And the complete idiot that decided using .fx as the file extension for Java FX files needs a kick in the nuts.

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By: links for 2008-12-07 « 個人的な雑記

links for 2008-12-07 « 個人的な雑記 — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:03:38 +0000

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By: joey

joey — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:50:55 +0000

“The reason for this evolution is that browsers have evolved quite slowly, and that OS companies like Microsoft and Apple haven’t fully taken to the fact that web applications are eventually going to undertake their desktop application”

AH AH AH AH !
Seriously, you don’t know Safari AT ALL. Check the File menu of Safari 4 or Webkit… then try the “Save as Web Application” entry.
Actually, Webkit is the best web engine around. Why do you think Google, Nokia, Motorola and… Adobe with Air chose webkit as base for their own browsers/html rendering engines ?
Do some real, deep tests and you’ll see that it’s far more advanced than anything else on the market.

That said, Firefox has so much excellent extensions that i can’t live without… anyway, it doesn’t have the best technology.

By: Sekhar Ravinutala

Sekhar Ravinutala — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:21:41 +0000

Did you check your app (or whatever you developed) over the web or just locally? Can we see it?

Did you try the samples on the JavaFX website?

By: srw

srw — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:50:08 +0000

More fun and sarcasm from Yakov Fain:

The birth is a little premature: http://flex.sys-con.com/node/770188

By: Eric Manas

Eric Manas — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:44:27 +0000

What idiot actually thinks Google or MS are competitors to a developer. What a schmuck.

By: Pickle Tenneref

Pickle Tenneref — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:38:44 +0000

I thought Flash and AIR was going to solve my problems… but performance sucks, and oh my God, when are they going to understand application architecture, it TOTALLY BLOWS.

so then I downloaded the JavaFX SDK… and ya know, it’s pretty cool. Fast, easy to spool up interfaces, thread in dynamic content, and performance is pretty damn good. And given how pervasive Java is on desktops (about 90% of my users have it), this seems like a perfectly good idea to me.

So I know it’s fashionable to knock Sun, but I gotta say they seem to be listening to folks like me…

By: Warren

Warren — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:12:01 +0000

Just to clarify … there’s nothing wrong with getting reach and building a user base with loss leaders. But if you don’t have the “getting rich” part figured out first, you’re doing it for naught.

By: Vasya

Vasya — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:04:24 +0000

tnx for info
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