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	<title>Comments on: Two free tickets to Lotusphere&#8211;is IBM&#8217;s Lotus Notes Out of Touch With Web 2.0 World?</title>
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		<title>By: Demandprevious</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-3/#comment-14543</link>
		<dc:creator>Demandprevious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Publish Cost,per beneath promise effect sun instance surround victory strong defence reason arise reach threat form due generation chance rich study above display near element nice ministry mental damage save shot performance comment however assembly relate science cry obviously creation confirm future approve fairly character goal court working against probably neighbour access brief final wonder next face those strategy plant everybody turn alternative teacher extent civil value cut game scale benefit mass economy sign pay birth justice individual useful nearly such chairman tax study touch old</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Publish Cost,per beneath promise effect sun instance surround victory strong defence reason arise reach threat form due generation chance rich study above display near element nice ministry mental damage save shot performance comment however assembly relate science cry obviously creation confirm future approve fairly character goal court working against probably neighbour access brief final wonder next face those strategy plant everybody turn alternative teacher extent civil value cut game scale benefit mass economy sign pay birth justice individual useful nearly such chairman tax study touch old</p>
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		<title>By: توبيكات</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-3/#comment-11552</link>
		<dc:creator>توبيكات</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to go so I can figure out what this ‘Lotus’ thing is, and why people use it if it’s so bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to go so I can figure out what this ‘Lotus’ thing is, and why people use it if it’s so bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Petetm</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-1/#comment-11435</link>
		<dc:creator>Petetm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,
Clearly your frustrations lies in your lack of knowledge about the product (Notes) not Notes itself. Yes, there are many different ways you CAN
change config setting but you don&#039;t have to do it
in all 3. Please be clear in your assesment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,<br />
Clearly your frustrations lies in your lack of knowledge about the product (Notes) not Notes itself. Yes, there are many different ways you CAN<br />
change config setting but you don&#8217;t have to do it<br />
in all 3. Please be clear in your assesment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lotusphere 2009: IBM Attempts The Tightrope Of Open Collaboration Within &#171; Test de RSS</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-3/#comment-6918</link>
		<dc:creator>Lotusphere 2009: IBM Attempts The Tightrope Of Open Collaboration Within &#171; Test de RSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 04:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the new Lotus Live&#8211;IBM&#8217;s latest SaaS effort. Quite timely, given my controversial post on Lotus Notes and the Web 2.0 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Truth</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-3/#comment-6834</link>
		<dc:creator>Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My major beef with Lotus Notes is its half-arsed attitude to people who wish to integrate with it.

1. They give us a Java interface, except:
a. You have to do everything on a special Notes thread, and it leaks memory every time you have a new thread which wants to use Notes.
b. Despite it being a Java API, they make you recycle() every tiny object, even DateTime!
c. If you ask for the same document (whether via a view or via its note ID) twice, recycling one of these will fuck over your reference to the other one, regardless of whether you still need it or now.

2. When the system runs out of memory, the OS returns 0 for calls to memory allocation functions.  Notes doesn&#039;t care -- it will try to use the space it has been returned, and promptly die screaming, taking down the entire application which has had the misfortune of loading their badly-coded DLL.

3. 64-bit?  What is 64-bit?  Someone was talking about 8.0.1 having 64-bit and then that turned out to be a big fat lie, didn&#039;t it?

Thanks a lot, guys.

Here&#039;s how to fix the problem:

1. Fix the Java API.  Wrap Notes resources in proper wrapper objects which don&#039;t get directly returned to user code, and don&#039;t *require* user code to recycle() in order to not crash.  Another pro-tip, close() is a much more standard name.  Don&#039;t require cleanup *at all* for objects like dates which should be simple types!

2. Check the return value for every memory allocation!

3. Give us a 64-bit port already.

For extra points:

4. Give us a native Java API so that we don&#039;t even need to worry about shoddy DLLs being loaded.

If all these things were finally fixed, Notes would actually be a very good platform.  But at the moment it&#039;s just a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My major beef with Lotus Notes is its half-arsed attitude to people who wish to integrate with it.</p>
<p>1. They give us a Java interface, except:<br />
a. You have to do everything on a special Notes thread, and it leaks memory every time you have a new thread which wants to use Notes.<br />
b. Despite it being a Java API, they make you recycle() every tiny object, even DateTime!<br />
c. If you ask for the same document (whether via a view or via its note ID) twice, recycling one of these will fuck over your reference to the other one, regardless of whether you still need it or now.</p>
<p>2. When the system runs out of memory, the OS returns 0 for calls to memory allocation functions.  Notes doesn&#8217;t care &#8212; it will try to use the space it has been returned, and promptly die screaming, taking down the entire application which has had the misfortune of loading their badly-coded DLL.</p>
<p>3. 64-bit?  What is 64-bit?  Someone was talking about 8.0.1 having 64-bit and then that turned out to be a big fat lie, didn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Thanks a lot, guys.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how to fix the problem:</p>
<p>1. Fix the Java API.  Wrap Notes resources in proper wrapper objects which don&#8217;t get directly returned to user code, and don&#8217;t *require* user code to recycle() in order to not crash.  Another pro-tip, close() is a much more standard name.  Don&#8217;t require cleanup *at all* for objects like dates which should be simple types!</p>
<p>2. Check the return value for every memory allocation!</p>
<p>3. Give us a 64-bit port already.</p>
<p>For extra points:</p>
<p>4. Give us a native Java API so that we don&#8217;t even need to worry about shoddy DLLs being loaded.</p>
<p>If all these things were finally fixed, Notes would actually be a very good platform.  But at the moment it&#8217;s just a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Lotusphere 2009：IBMの大企業向けオープン協業は綱渡り</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-3/#comment-6829</link>
		<dc:creator>Lotusphere 2009：IBMの大企業向けオープン協業は綱渡り</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] はっきりと焦点が当てられていたのは、IBM最新のSaaSへの取り組みであるLotus Liveをはじめとするソーシャルコンピューティングと協業だ。私のLotus NotesとWeb 2.0に関するかなり議論を呼ぶ書き込みを考えると実にタイムリーだ。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] はっきりと焦点が当てられていたのは、IBM最新のSaaSへの取り組みであるLotus Liveをはじめとするソーシャルコンピューティングと協業だ。私のLotus NotesとWeb 2.0に関するかなり議論を呼ぶ書き込みを考えると実にタイムリーだ。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: techman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-3/#comment-6817</link>
		<dc:creator>techman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Send me I am new to Lotus development/support and it will help me a lot plus Florida this time of year is real nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Send me I am new to Lotus development/support and it will help me a lot plus Florida this time of year is real nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajax Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lotusphere 2009: IBM Attempts The Tightrope Of Open Collaboration Within Large Enterprise</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-3/#comment-6805</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajax Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lotusphere 2009: IBM Attempts The Tightrope Of Open Collaboration Within Large Enterprise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 02:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the new Lotus Live&#8211;IBM&#8217;s latest SaaS effort. Quite timely, given my controversial post on Lotus Notes and the Web 2.0 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the new Lotus Live&#8211;IBM&#8217;s latest SaaS effort. Quite timely, given my controversial post on Lotus Notes and the Web 2.0 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lotusphere 2009: IBM Attempts The Tightrope Of Open Collaboration Within Large Enterprise</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-3/#comment-6798</link>
		<dc:creator>Lotusphere 2009: IBM Attempts The Tightrope Of Open Collaboration Within Large Enterprise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the new Lotus Live&#8211;IBM&#8217;s latest SaaS effort. Quite timely, given my controversial post on Lotus Notes and the Web 2.0 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the new Lotus Live&#8211;IBM&#8217;s latest SaaS effort. Quite timely, given my controversial post on Lotus Notes and the Web 2.0 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: alera</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-3/#comment-6781</link>
		<dc:creator>alera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t know if you’ve already picked a winner–but we’d definitely like to go to Lotusphere and bring people who can bring back enthusiasm for Notes 8.5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know if you’ve already picked a winner–but we’d definitely like to go to Lotusphere and bring people who can bring back enthusiasm for Notes 8.5.</p>
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		<title>By: 70,000% Increase In Stress-Testing For Upcoming Microsoft Exchange Release</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-3/#comment-6608</link>
		<dc:creator>70,000% Increase In Stress-Testing For Upcoming Microsoft Exchange Release</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] emphasis on SaaS technology has also attracted a few frustrated Notes users. According to Rajesh, about 5.1 million Notes seats have switched from Notes Servers or Notes [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] emphasis on SaaS technology has also attracted a few frustrated Notes users. According to Rajesh, about 5.1 million Notes seats have switched from Notes Servers or Notes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Microsoft Exchangeの新版リリース間近―ストレス・テスターの人数を70倍に増強</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-3/#comment-6600</link>
		<dc:creator>Microsoft Exchangeの新版リリース間近―ストレス・テスターの人数を70倍に増強</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 3年と少し前にRay Ozzieがその後有名になったメモを発表、Microsoftが軸足をソフトウェアからサービスに移すことが宣言された。われわれが昨年10月に目撃したWindows Azureの発表はその成果のひとつである。SaaSへの注力は、Microsoftのメインストリームの製品、Exchangeにも及んでいる。今朝（米国時間1/13）、Steve Gillmorと私はMicrosoftの開発担当副社長で、Exchangeの責任者であるRajesh Jhaから新バージョン、Exchange 14について話を聞くことができた。Jhaは出荷の日程について具体的な話をするのは避けたが、MicrosoftではExchange 14の開発にすでに18ヶ月かけていることを明言した。現在、Exchange14には、大学を中心に350万のテストユーザーがいるという。JhaはExchange 2007の場合、開発の同一段階でテストユーザーが5000しかいなかったことを指摘した。JhaはまたMicrosoftが開発の当初からSaaSにコミットしていることを強調した。Exchange 2007は、まず第一サーバで、われわれはその上にサービス機能を追加しました。サービス機能を実装するときにはすでにサーバのデザインは確定していたので、サービス機能についてのユーザー・フィードバックを十分に生かすことができませんでした。現在、Exchange 2007上のSaaSのユーザー・アカウントは50万前後しかいないのに、Exchange 14のテストユーザーが〔350万と〕膨大です。つまりExchange14はまだリリースされていないにもかかわらず現在、Microsoftが提供する最大のマルチ・テネットのExchange製品ということになる。Exchange14では開発の当初からサーバ機能とその上で動作するサービスを同時に考慮してます。その結果、ストレス・テストでの性能も格段に強化されています。SaaSテクノロジーの重視は、Notesに不満を持つ一部ユーザーも引きつけている。Jhaによると、Notes ServersあるいはNotes Onlineから510万のアカウントがExchangeに乗り換えたという。この350万のテスターから得られた成果をさらに詳しく説明してくれた。ITの管理という側面からすると、大学というのは驚くほど大企業に環境が似ています。ユーザーはソフトウェアの使い方で苦労し、管理者は問題の発見と規則の遵守のためにメールを調査しなければならないので、研究の効率化とプライバシーの間のバランスを取るのに苦労しています。Exchange14のアーキテクチャーは、これらの点がスムーズに運用できるよう考慮されています。今回の開発で大いに勉強したのはスケールの問題です。テストユーザーが350万と、前回の5000とは比較にならないくらいの数です。Exchange 14はわれわれにとって最初の、一からSaaSを前提にしたバージョンです。これだけの数のテスターを得たことによって、インストールの最適化や、I/O サーバーの物理的サイズのような基本的問題から、ヘルプセンターへの問い合わせを最小化するためにUIを改良し、ウェブから必要な情報がえられるようにしなければならないなど、実にさまざまことを学ぶことができました。こうしたことから考えると、Exchangeの次のバージョンは十分にテストされた製品になりそうだ。（バグだらけの過去のバージョンでずっと積み重ねられてきた不満はどうなるのか注目）。CrunchBase InformationRajesh JhaMicrosoftInformation provided by CrunchBase [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 3年と少し前にRay Ozzieがその後有名になったメモを発表、Microsoftが軸足をソフトウェアからサービスに移すことが宣言された。われわれが昨年10月に目撃したWindows Azureの発表はその成果のひとつである。SaaSへの注力は、Microsoftのメインストリームの製品、Exchangeにも及んでいる。今朝（米国時間1/13）、Steve Gillmorと私はMicrosoftの開発担当副社長で、Exchangeの責任者であるRajesh Jhaから新バージョン、Exchange 14について話を聞くことができた。Jhaは出荷の日程について具体的な話をするのは避けたが、MicrosoftではExchange 14の開発にすでに18ヶ月かけていることを明言した。現在、Exchange14には、大学を中心に350万のテストユーザーがいるという。JhaはExchange 2007の場合、開発の同一段階でテストユーザーが5000しかいなかったことを指摘した。JhaはまたMicrosoftが開発の当初からSaaSにコミットしていることを強調した。Exchange 2007は、まず第一サーバで、われわれはその上にサービス機能を追加しました。サービス機能を実装するときにはすでにサーバのデザインは確定していたので、サービス機能についてのユーザー・フィードバックを十分に生かすことができませんでした。現在、Exchange 2007上のSaaSのユーザー・アカウントは50万前後しかいないのに、Exchange 14のテストユーザーが〔350万と〕膨大です。つまりExchange14はまだリリースされていないにもかかわらず現在、Microsoftが提供する最大のマルチ・テネットのExchange製品ということになる。Exchange14では開発の当初からサーバ機能とその上で動作するサービスを同時に考慮してます。その結果、ストレス・テストでの性能も格段に強化されています。SaaSテクノロジーの重視は、Notesに不満を持つ一部ユーザーも引きつけている。Jhaによると、Notes ServersあるいはNotes Onlineから510万のアカウントがExchangeに乗り換えたという。この350万のテスターから得られた成果をさらに詳しく説明してくれた。ITの管理という側面からすると、大学というのは驚くほど大企業に環境が似ています。ユーザーはソフトウェアの使い方で苦労し、管理者は問題の発見と規則の遵守のためにメールを調査しなければならないので、研究の効率化とプライバシーの間のバランスを取るのに苦労しています。Exchange14のアーキテクチャーは、これらの点がスムーズに運用できるよう考慮されています。今回の開発で大いに勉強したのはスケールの問題です。テストユーザーが350万と、前回の5000とは比較にならないくらいの数です。Exchange 14はわれわれにとって最初の、一からSaaSを前提にしたバージョンです。これだけの数のテスターを得たことによって、インストールの最適化や、I/O サーバーの物理的サイズのような基本的問題から、ヘルプセンターへの問い合わせを最小化するためにUIを改良し、ウェブから必要な情報がえられるようにしなければならないなど、実にさまざまことを学ぶことができました。こうしたことから考えると、Exchangeの次のバージョンは十分にテストされた製品になりそうだ。（バグだらけの過去のバージョンでずっと積み重ねられてきた不満はどうなるのか注目）。CrunchBase InformationRajesh JhaMicrosoftInformation provided by CrunchBase [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Paolino</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-3/#comment-6468</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Paolino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am already going to Lotusphere. I wouldn&#039;t miss it. Why? Because Notes Floats My Boat. You can&#039;t rationalize love. It just is.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Widman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-2/#comment-6466</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Widman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Ray--winners already confirmed. 

Curt Stone and Roland Reddekop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Ray&#8211;winners already confirmed. </p>
<p>Curt Stone and Roland Reddekop.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett H</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-1/#comment-6465</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to say Ed, but this is entirely indicative of how IBM/Lotus just doesn&#039;t &quot;get it&quot;.  It&#039;s so frustrating because I love the Lotus product line. The rest of the world seems to have adopted the new business model of how to sell on the web, but IBM/Lotus still sits there in denial, fighting the good fight, but doing it all wrong.  It should be EASY to buy something from IBM/Lotus... throw down a credit card and make your purchase. Have that &quot;Button&quot; there for IF and only IF you want to speak to a rep or a BP.

As usual Lotus brings a knife to a gunfight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to say Ed, but this is entirely indicative of how IBM/Lotus just doesn&#8217;t &#8220;get it&#8221;.  It&#8217;s so frustrating because I love the Lotus product line. The rest of the world seems to have adopted the new business model of how to sell on the web, but IBM/Lotus still sits there in denial, fighting the good fight, but doing it all wrong.  It should be EASY to buy something from IBM/Lotus&#8230; throw down a credit card and make your purchase. Have that &#8220;Button&#8221; there for IF and only IF you want to speak to a rep or a BP.</p>
<p>As usual Lotus brings a knife to a gunfight.</p>
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		<title>By: Tripp Black</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tripp Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 04:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will simply say, that for one reason or another I have not been able to go since 1999 and 2001. I would LOVE the opportunity to go again. 

I can also say than whoever wins a ticket should have a great opportunity to see Lotus products, take certification tests w/discount, talk to the actual IBM developers who make the product, and attend fuzzy brochure type sessions or hardcore productivity sessions whether on the development side, the administrator side, or a company&#039;s management. It&#039;s also a great location for those who want to blow off their company&#039;s investment and just do some partying...

Although set within a strict tabbed methodology Lotus Notes is it is way past &quot;web 2.0&quot; from the Notes Client-side. The wheels of &quot;web 2.0&quot; that are finally &quot;maturing&quot; (related to what we&#039;ve had to date on port 80) have been in Lotus a really long time. Moreover, as the web technologies have improved, overall, IBM Lotus has done a great job of adding them to Lotus Notes/Domino, as well. Lotus Domino web applications and can consume and deliver web services, dynamical HTML (it has native support for JavaScript), has native support for JAVA on the server-side for agents, has ability for inherited libraries (yours, or others) to do many different web programming techniques including things like REST. It includes POP3, IMAP, SSL, S-MIME, and LDAP services. It has native support for its own internal security Notes-based CA and x-509 certificates. With the Standard 8 client we added widgets, feeds, and other great plug-ins. With the new 8.5 version, it has a very cool new development feature called &quot;XPages&quot; - that little feature by itself would qualify.

In fact, if IBM would rework the old workspace icons have a black background, with rounded edges, and smaller icons, you&#039;d might confuse it with the brand new cutting edge GUI of the Apple iTunes software. The difference is that Lotus Notes has lasted so long, its once again cutting edge with just a little tweaking. All they had to do was keep those workspace &quot;chicklets&quot; until &quot;fashion&quot; circled back again. :-)

__________________

As for all the other off-topic rants, I guess I can play too...
Lotus Notes is NOT like MS products. As someone who was a MS developer and Outlook user, I hated Notes, too. But it&#039;s same kind of hate that is more principal ate that is blind out of principal rather than actually look at the product. It&#039;s not a relational database, it&#039;s a collaboration product -- it&#039;s people and document workflow, it&#039;s people interaction and data integration.

Lotus Notes is a product that is proprietary but open-source/standards friendly. Yes, it doesn&#039;t do a .Net, but it does VB and Java.  Not many products support version 1 or 2 applications (databases) running in the current version of the software with no or very little design updates.

Right before Christmas, I had yet another company that wondered why Notes sucks to only find out it&#039;s because of what they made it do. They had several complaints, all were fixed by simply changing how they used the software.
For example:
They said during the meeting that &quot;Searching sucks and they hoped that 8.02 would fix it.&quot; The fix - Allow and create full-text indexes on their mail files so the Notes client can search reliably. It was as simply as selecting the lucky people in the admin client, and clicking the option to create the indexes.

I also hear things like:
Performance sucks. This is usually either a very busy network, poor implementation of the Domino server&#039;s &quot;admin&quot; side, or hacked mail templates with &quot;improvements&quot; that significantly restrict the user to a very limited mail environment. The user usually says something like, you&#039;d think that they could improve the mail file in &quot;x&quot; years. IBM does, the users are still using a 4.x mail hack when their servers are 8.x. 

One of the great things about Lotus Notes is that departments can really quickly get up an internal app really quickly and with little experience. The bad thing is these applications often suffer usability issues. The largest $100,000+(dev and setup costs conversion) I got to participate on from Lotus Notes was for the data conversion part of a Notes to Websphere, SharePoint, and Outlook conversion (yes, no savings there, 4 Lotus e-mail and app servers became 8-exchange boxes to do same e-mail load. They made SharePoint basically do simple public folders/workspaces with checkin/checkout. Websphere was needed for the core functionality as SharePoint could scale.) The apps that made Lotus &quot;so bad&quot; were valid complaints. They were VERY bad - they could have been a really bad PHP and mySQL or .NET implementation. It would have been much smarter to simply fix the existing applications - there were three of these &quot;core&quot; applications. I know for a fraction of that conversion budget, I would have happily recreated those applications from scratch to run on a replicated set of Domino app servers that would have done very nicely. There was nothing &quot;transactional&quot; which required specific relational roll-back. I could also have done it just as fast as the .NET guys were doing the SharePoint part, and the Websphere and database groups creating theirs. It was so wrong on so many levels. It was right on only one way, it paid my families bills for a period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will simply say, that for one reason or another I have not been able to go since 1999 and 2001. I would LOVE the opportunity to go again. </p>
<p>I can also say than whoever wins a ticket should have a great opportunity to see Lotus products, take certification tests w/discount, talk to the actual IBM developers who make the product, and attend fuzzy brochure type sessions or hardcore productivity sessions whether on the development side, the administrator side, or a company&#8217;s management. It&#8217;s also a great location for those who want to blow off their company&#8217;s investment and just do some partying&#8230;</p>
<p>Although set within a strict tabbed methodology Lotus Notes is it is way past &#8220;web 2.0&#8243; from the Notes Client-side. The wheels of &#8220;web 2.0&#8243; that are finally &#8220;maturing&#8221; (related to what we&#8217;ve had to date on port 80) have been in Lotus a really long time. Moreover, as the web technologies have improved, overall, IBM Lotus has done a great job of adding them to Lotus Notes/Domino, as well. Lotus Domino web applications and can consume and deliver web services, dynamical HTML (it has native support for JavaScript), has native support for JAVA on the server-side for agents, has ability for inherited libraries (yours, or others) to do many different web programming techniques including things like REST. It includes POP3, IMAP, SSL, S-MIME, and LDAP services. It has native support for its own internal security Notes-based CA and x-509 certificates. With the Standard 8 client we added widgets, feeds, and other great plug-ins. With the new 8.5 version, it has a very cool new development feature called &#8220;XPages&#8221; &#8211; that little feature by itself would qualify.</p>
<p>In fact, if IBM would rework the old workspace icons have a black background, with rounded edges, and smaller icons, you&#8217;d might confuse it with the brand new cutting edge GUI of the Apple iTunes software. The difference is that Lotus Notes has lasted so long, its once again cutting edge with just a little tweaking. All they had to do was keep those workspace &#8220;chicklets&#8221; until &#8220;fashion&#8221; circled back again. :-)</p>
<p>__________________</p>
<p>As for all the other off-topic rants, I guess I can play too&#8230;<br />
Lotus Notes is NOT like MS products. As someone who was a MS developer and Outlook user, I hated Notes, too. But it&#8217;s same kind of hate that is more principal ate that is blind out of principal rather than actually look at the product. It&#8217;s not a relational database, it&#8217;s a collaboration product &#8212; it&#8217;s people and document workflow, it&#8217;s people interaction and data integration.</p>
<p>Lotus Notes is a product that is proprietary but open-source/standards friendly. Yes, it doesn&#8217;t do a .Net, but it does VB and Java.  Not many products support version 1 or 2 applications (databases) running in the current version of the software with no or very little design updates.</p>
<p>Right before Christmas, I had yet another company that wondered why Notes sucks to only find out it&#8217;s because of what they made it do. They had several complaints, all were fixed by simply changing how they used the software.<br />
For example:<br />
They said during the meeting that &#8220;Searching sucks and they hoped that 8.02 would fix it.&#8221; The fix &#8211; Allow and create full-text indexes on their mail files so the Notes client can search reliably. It was as simply as selecting the lucky people in the admin client, and clicking the option to create the indexes.</p>
<p>I also hear things like:<br />
Performance sucks. This is usually either a very busy network, poor implementation of the Domino server&#8217;s &#8220;admin&#8221; side, or hacked mail templates with &#8220;improvements&#8221; that significantly restrict the user to a very limited mail environment. The user usually says something like, you&#8217;d think that they could improve the mail file in &#8220;x&#8221; years. IBM does, the users are still using a 4.x mail hack when their servers are 8.x. </p>
<p>One of the great things about Lotus Notes is that departments can really quickly get up an internal app really quickly and with little experience. The bad thing is these applications often suffer usability issues. The largest $100,000+(dev and setup costs conversion) I got to participate on from Lotus Notes was for the data conversion part of a Notes to Websphere, SharePoint, and Outlook conversion (yes, no savings there, 4 Lotus e-mail and app servers became 8-exchange boxes to do same e-mail load. They made SharePoint basically do simple public folders/workspaces with checkin/checkout. Websphere was needed for the core functionality as SharePoint could scale.) The apps that made Lotus &#8220;so bad&#8221; were valid complaints. They were VERY bad &#8211; they could have been a really bad PHP and mySQL or .NET implementation. It would have been much smarter to simply fix the existing applications &#8211; there were three of these &#8220;core&#8221; applications. I know for a fraction of that conversion budget, I would have happily recreated those applications from scratch to run on a replicated set of Domino app servers that would have done very nicely. There was nothing &#8220;transactional&#8221; which required specific relational roll-back. I could also have done it just as fast as the .NET guys were doing the SharePoint part, and the Websphere and database groups creating theirs. It was so wrong on so many levels. It was right on only one way, it paid my families bills for a period.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Bilyk</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-2/#comment-6402</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Bilyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have the winners confirmed yet? If not, I&#039;d be willing to take a ticket as a gift for my birthday (which is today)...</description>
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		<title>By: Life of a Silverbakk &#8722; Stenbeck kommenterar</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-2/#comment-6392</link>
		<dc:creator>Life of a Silverbakk &#8722; Stenbeck kommenterar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Two free tickets to Lotusphere–is IBM’s Lotus Notes Out of Touch With Web 2.0 World? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: KM News™ &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is Lotus Notes Still Relevant?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-2/#comment-6386</link>
		<dc:creator>KM News™ &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is Lotus Notes Still Relevant?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been catching up with my reading and came across this item on Lotus Notes at TechCrunch.  It really was a fair treatment of Lotus [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ray Bilyk</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-2/#comment-6383</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Bilyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the opportunity...</description>
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		<title>By: Ed Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/12/24/two-free-tickets-to-lotusphere-is-ibms-lotus-notes-out-of-touch-with-web-20-world/comment-page-2/#comment-6381</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post by toolkit

I&#039;m a Lotus Notes developer ( 10 years) working on a Lotus Notes (applications) to Sharepoint migration.

Regarding comparing the two products - don&#039;t. 

Lotus Notes is not Sharepoint and why would it want to be.

I&#039;m get conflicting sources regarding Sharepoint&#039;s capabilities. Everythings possible I&#039;m told but it will either take you an age to code it rather than just check a property (allow values not in list, refresh keywords) or you could do it but wouldn&#039;t want to do it (item level security).

I love the big selling point of self service of Sharepoint sites - pushing IT roles on to the business!

My other frustration thing is the number of products used to replace Lotus Notes. If you cannot do it Sharepoint why not do it in another MS product, say InfoPath. If that does not fit your needs then why not do it from scratch in .Net.  Now instead of the business knowing what I.T. solutions can be offered using one product they have to think about multiple products that esentailly all compete with each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post by toolkit</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Lotus Notes developer ( 10 years) working on a Lotus Notes (applications) to Sharepoint migration.</p>
<p>Regarding comparing the two products &#8211; don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Lotus Notes is not Sharepoint and why would it want to be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m get conflicting sources regarding Sharepoint&#8217;s capabilities. Everythings possible I&#8217;m told but it will either take you an age to code it rather than just check a property (allow values not in list, refresh keywords) or you could do it but wouldn&#8217;t want to do it (item level security).</p>
<p>I love the big selling point of self service of Sharepoint sites &#8211; pushing IT roles on to the business!</p>
<p>My other frustration thing is the number of products used to replace Lotus Notes. If you cannot do it Sharepoint why not do it in another MS product, say InfoPath. If that does not fit your needs then why not do it from scratch in .Net.  Now instead of the business knowing what I.T. solutions can be offered using one product they have to think about multiple products that esentailly all compete with each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Widman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Widman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I e-mailed the two winners. Not going to post names until they confirm they&#039;re able to attend (there is a runner up if they can&#039;t attend.) 

Thanks to all who commented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I e-mailed the two winners. Not going to post names until they confirm they&#8217;re able to attend (there is a runner up if they can&#8217;t attend.) </p>
<p>Thanks to all who commented.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either you are totally making this up, or something is seriously wrong with your installation. I have no problems selecting hundreds or even thousands of email and deleteing them with one click/keypress.
That you can&#039;t access your mail can hardly be because of Notes, but something your IT department must handle. What error message are you getting?
I simply select the documents, press delete and (if soft deletion is not turned on), F9 to refresh and actually delete the documents.
I am obviously talking about the Notes client, since you say that you are using Notes, not DWA (Domino Web Access, a.k.a. iNotes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either you are totally making this up, or something is seriously wrong with your installation. I have no problems selecting hundreds or even thousands of email and deleteing them with one click/keypress.<br />
That you can&#8217;t access your mail can hardly be because of Notes, but something your IT department must handle. What error message are you getting?<br />
I simply select the documents, press delete and (if soft deletion is not turned on), F9 to refresh and actually delete the documents.<br />
I am obviously talking about the Notes client, since you say that you are using Notes, not DWA (Domino Web Access, a.k.a. iNotes).</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Armstrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@toolkit -- I&#039;m in the same boat -- Notes developer since 1993, now I do SharePoint.

Learn InfoPath. Your list will be much smaller. Not gone, but smaller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@toolkit &#8212; I&#8217;m in the same boat &#8212; Notes developer since 1993, now I do SharePoint.</p>
<p>Learn InfoPath. Your list will be much smaller. Not gone, but smaller.</p>
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		<title>By: Anand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I manage IBM relatioship and actively helping Lotus group in Collaboration initiatives.

I also have a smart plug-in to demonstrate at Lotusphere, which my team has developed to tremendously enhance value of &quot;sametime client&quot; to users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I manage IBM relatioship and actively helping Lotus group in Collaboration initiatives.</p>
<p>I also have a smart plug-in to demonstrate at Lotusphere, which my team has developed to tremendously enhance value of &#8220;sametime client&#8221; to users.</p>
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