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		<title>By: Technology blog &#187; TringMe’s App Lets You Make Calls From Facebook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Technology blog &#187; TringMe’s App Lets You Make Calls From Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also recently launched a demo of a widget that now allows a user the ability to make a VoIP call from Microsoft [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TringMe&#8217;s App Lets You Make Calls From Facebook</title>
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		<dc:creator>TringMe&#8217;s App Lets You Make Calls From Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also recently launched a demo of a widget that now allows a user the ability to make a VoIP call from Microsoft [...]</description>
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		<title>By: VoicePHP - Better than VoiceXML? &#171; VoIP Users Conference Sessions</title>
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		<dc:creator>VoicePHP - Better than VoiceXML? &#171; VoIP Users Conference Sessions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cheap voip calls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheap voip calls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Cheap voip calls...&lt;/strong&gt;

Keep on the lookout for newly published articles on this topic....</description>
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<p>Keep on the lookout for newly published articles on this topic&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Links of the Week - February 10th &#124; Armchair Theorist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links of the Week - February 10th &#124; Armchair Theorist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TringMe Finds A Way To Make VoIP Calls from Microsoft Silverlight Money Quote: This could open up the door for Silverlight developers to integrate VoIP in their applications. What’s interesting is the ability to use Silverlight’s competing application, Flash, to get around issues in the Silverlight platform. Basically, a competing platform is being used to strengthen an existing platform. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TringMe Finds A Way To Make VoIP Calls from Microsoft Silverlight Money Quote: This could open up the door for Silverlight developers to integrate VoIP in their applications. What’s interesting is the ability to use Silverlight’s competing application, Flash, to get around issues in the Silverlight platform. Basically, a competing platform is being used to strengthen an existing platform. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Wolf</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/02/03/tringme-finds-a-way-to-make-voip-calls-from-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-7476</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no question the idea of making a phone call out of a Silverlight application is extremely interesting and presents a very important piece of thought leadership in the RIA space. However this is not the first time this was done at all.

This same approach was used by Cynergy nearly a year ago when they won the National Microsoft Phizzpop Challenge. You can see their live phone call to Senator Obama’s office at SXSW a year ago here

http://www.truveo.com/PhizzPop-Cynergy-presents-Ben/id/288230381149978300

Cynergy then demonstrated the same approach, again calling Senator Obama’s office live from the UXWeek conference over the summer.

http://vimeo.com/2833183

The general approach was blogged by Skype as well

http://share.skype.com/sites/us/2008/09/ben_franklin_namesake_goes_phi.html

In the name of fairness, openness and honesty it is worth adjusting the claims that this is the first time ever this has been accomplished, and to give reference and claims to those who have laid the foundation for this kind of thought leadership.

Dave Wolf
Vice President
Cynergy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no question the idea of making a phone call out of a Silverlight application is extremely interesting and presents a very important piece of thought leadership in the RIA space. However this is not the first time this was done at all.</p>
<p>This same approach was used by Cynergy nearly a year ago when they won the National Microsoft Phizzpop Challenge. You can see their live phone call to Senator Obama’s office at SXSW a year ago here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truveo.com/PhizzPop-Cynergy-presents-Ben/id/288230381149978300" rel="nofollow">http://www.truveo.com/PhizzPop-Cynergy-presents-Ben/id/288230381149978300</a></p>
<p>Cynergy then demonstrated the same approach, again calling Senator Obama’s office live from the UXWeek conference over the summer.</p>
<p><a href="http://vimeo.com/2833183" rel="nofollow">http://vimeo.com/2833183</a></p>
<p>The general approach was blogged by Skype as well</p>
<p><a href="http://share.skype.com/sites/us/2008/09/ben_franklin_namesake_goes_phi.html" rel="nofollow">http://share.skype.com/sites/us/2008/09/ben_franklin_namesake_goes_phi.html</a></p>
<p>In the name of fairness, openness and honesty it is worth adjusting the claims that this is the first time ever this has been accomplished, and to give reference and claims to those who have laid the foundation for this kind of thought leadership.</p>
<p>Dave Wolf<br />
Vice President<br />
Cynergy</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/02/03/tringme-finds-a-way-to-make-voip-calls-from-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-7464</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you please show me where I can get Visual studio full edition for free so I can develop free Silverlight applications?  I think not $400 for FlexBuilder is just as cheap if not cheaper.  A poor workman blames expensive tools.  Now your app is just useless as SL only have what 5% max market penetration where as if you used just flash you would have covered 98%.  If you actualyl want to make an app the people will use forget SL and go Flash/flex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you please show me where I can get Visual studio full edition for free so I can develop free Silverlight applications?  I think not $400 for FlexBuilder is just as cheap if not cheaper.  A poor workman blames expensive tools.  Now your app is just useless as SL only have what 5% max market penetration where as if you used just flash you would have covered 98%.  If you actualyl want to make an app the people will use forget SL and go Flash/flex.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernstjan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/02/03/tringme-finds-a-way-to-make-voip-calls-from-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-7309</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernstjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott, 

Any news about the enabling of webcam support? For local sub we created a webcamgame, where you get points if you mimic the exact movements of the dancer on the website. 

site is included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott, </p>
<p>Any news about the enabling of webcam support? For local sub we created a webcamgame, where you get points if you mimic the exact movements of the dancer on the website. </p>
<p>site is included.</p>
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		<title>By: Apul Nahata</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/02/03/tringme-finds-a-way-to-make-voip-calls-from-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-7301</link>
		<dc:creator>Apul Nahata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott Barnes Thanks. We are glad this has been heard and we hope mic support will soon be available in Silverlight.

I am still wondering about the 100% Silverlight assumption being made since Techcrunch in their article &amp; we on our demo page had clearly mentioned about the workaround using Flash. In fact, Leena&#039;s mention about this solution using a competing platform ensured that floor was nicely laid without any hidden details.

In general, I think folks who are comfortable with this solution will go ahead use it. Once Silverlight has the mic support, we will be able to provide a 100% silverlight solution.

Thanks again everyone for your comments,

Apul Nahata</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott Barnes Thanks. We are glad this has been heard and we hope mic support will soon be available in Silverlight.</p>
<p>I am still wondering about the 100% Silverlight assumption being made since Techcrunch in their article &amp; we on our demo page had clearly mentioned about the workaround using Flash. In fact, Leena&#8217;s mention about this solution using a competing platform ensured that floor was nicely laid without any hidden details.</p>
<p>In general, I think folks who are comfortable with this solution will go ahead use it. Once Silverlight has the mic support, we will be able to provide a 100% silverlight solution.</p>
<p>Thanks again everyone for your comments,</p>
<p>Apul Nahata</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Barnes</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/02/03/tringme-finds-a-way-to-make-voip-calls-from-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-7299</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Apul Nahata 

I think it&#039;s a great solution for the no mic support in Silverlight, I guess what&#039;s  a little concerning is it&#039;s leaving people with the assumption that it&#039;s 100% Silverlight... which judging by the comments above has backfired a little.

That being said, as a member of the Silverlight Team we hear you loud and clear on the mic support.

Stay tuned... :)

-
Scott Barnes
Rich Platforms Product Manager
Microsoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Apul Nahata </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a great solution for the no mic support in Silverlight, I guess what&#8217;s  a little concerning is it&#8217;s leaving people with the assumption that it&#8217;s 100% Silverlight&#8230; which judging by the comments above has backfired a little.</p>
<p>That being said, as a member of the Silverlight Team we hear you loud and clear on the mic support.</p>
<p>Stay tuned&#8230; :)</p>
<p>-<br />
Scott Barnes<br />
Rich Platforms Product Manager<br />
Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/02/03/tringme-finds-a-way-to-make-voip-calls-from-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-7298</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd, Dave you imply that Stephen is a MSFT fan and probably just biased but aren&#039;t you just as biased when it comes to Adobe products since they sign your checks?  Take a peek outside the Adobe walled garden you&#039;re in and honestly access if your competitors are creating better development tools than you...in this case they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd, Dave you imply that Stephen is a MSFT fan and probably just biased but aren&#8217;t you just as biased when it comes to Adobe products since they sign your checks?  Take a peek outside the Adobe walled garden you&#8217;re in and honestly access if your competitors are creating better development tools than you&#8230;in this case they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Cagdas</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/02/03/tringme-finds-a-way-to-make-voip-calls-from-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-7296</link>
		<dc:creator>Cagdas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It WAS published before.

http://michaelsync.net/2008/07/25/silverlight-and-flash-interoperability-using-html-bridge-and-externalinterface-api-by-jonas-folles%C3%B8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It WAS published before.</p>
<p><a href="http://michaelsync.net/2008/07/25/silverlight-and-flash-interoperability-using-html-bridge-and-externalinterface-api-by-jonas-folles%C3%B8" rel="nofollow">http://michaelsync.net/2008/07/25/silverlight-and-flash-interoperability-using-html-bridge-and-externalinterface-api-by-jonas-folles%C3%B8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cagdas</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/02/03/tringme-finds-a-way-to-make-voip-calls-from-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-7294</link>
		<dc:creator>Cagdas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunchit.com/?p=1434#comment-7294</guid>
		<description>This has been done before.

http://michaelsync.net/2008/07/25/silverlight-and-flash-interoperability-using-html-bridge-and-externalinterface-api-by-jonas-folles%C3%B8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been done before.</p>
<p><a href="http://michaelsync.net/2008/07/25/silverlight-and-flash-interoperability-using-html-bridge-and-externalinterface-api-by-jonas-folles%C3%B8" rel="nofollow">http://michaelsync.net/2008/07/25/silverlight-and-flash-interoperability-using-html-bridge-and-externalinterface-api-by-jonas-folles%C3%B8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Whitney</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/02/03/tringme-finds-a-way-to-make-voip-calls-from-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-7293</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Whitney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that we&#039;ve torn the code apart sufficiently, does anyone happen to know the level of digital security of this method is?  I&#039;d like to know myself.

http://www.justaskgemalto.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that we&#8217;ve torn the code apart sufficiently, does anyone happen to know the level of digital security of this method is?  I&#8217;d like to know myself.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.justaskgemalto.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.justaskgemalto.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Story</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Story</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, sounds like you&#039;re a MSFT product fan, but your claims about Flash are unsubstantiated.

The right solution here would likely be to use the free and open source Flex SDK, which comes with a free set of command line tools, a free version for students, and very reasonable pricing for the Flex Builder product.

I also don&#039;t understand your comments about Silverlight being supported on Linux.  

What is your motivation for being so positive on Silverlight?

Dave Story
Developer Tools
Adobe Systems</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, sounds like you&#8217;re a MSFT product fan, but your claims about Flash are unsubstantiated.</p>
<p>The right solution here would likely be to use the free and open source Flex SDK, which comes with a free set of command line tools, a free version for students, and very reasonable pricing for the Flex Builder product.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t understand your comments about Silverlight being supported on Linux.  </p>
<p>What is your motivation for being so positive on Silverlight?</p>
<p>Dave Story<br />
Developer Tools<br />
Adobe Systems</p>
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		<title>By: TringMe scopre come offrire chiamate VoIP da una widget Silverlight &#124; VoipBlog.it</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/02/03/tringme-finds-a-way-to-make-voip-calls-from-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-7291</link>
		<dc:creator>TringMe scopre come offrire chiamate VoIP da una widget Silverlight &#124; VoipBlog.it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bart Czernicki</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/02/03/tringme-finds-a-way-to-make-voip-calls-from-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-7288</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart Czernicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dks123 ,

These guys have a Flash program that does VOIP and they added a simple call to open up their Flash program with Silverlight.  The article makes it sound they integrated Silverlight/Flash together and its &quot;powerful&quot;

Its clear the author doesn&#039;t know how the technology works and as mentioned above...its an article about a hack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dks123 ,</p>
<p>These guys have a Flash program that does VOIP and they added a simple call to open up their Flash program with Silverlight.  The article makes it sound they integrated Silverlight/Flash together and its &#8220;powerful&#8221;</p>
<p>Its clear the author doesn&#8217;t know how the technology works and as mentioned above&#8230;its an article about a hack.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/02/03/tringme-finds-a-way-to-make-voip-calls-from-microsoft-silverlight/comment-page-1/#comment-7283</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any of you used silverlight? If not, you may not even realize the potential of this (Check my response below).

@chris how do you define clever? Can you show us  your better and &#039;clever&#039; solution than what these guys have done?

@dks123 you bring in valid points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any of you used silverlight? If not, you may not even realize the potential of this (Check my response below).</p>
<p>@chris how do you define clever? Can you show us  your better and &#8216;clever&#8217; solution than what these guys have done?</p>
<p>@dks123 you bring in valid points.</p>
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		<title>By: Microsoft News Log Podcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Microsoft News Log Podcast #109</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microsoft News Log Podcast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Microsoft News Log Podcast #109</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this discussion getting into the religious territory of Flash vs. Silverlight. 

Silverlight (SL) is a powerful technology and I believe has a great future. MS generally gets it right when it is going behind an established market (remember Netscape and IE?). The development tools are available for FREE and might I say, really user-friendly and intuitive. Development can be done using any of the supported languages - C#, VB.NET, C++ etc. Even the debugger support is great. Overall, as a developer, I am in awe of the tools available for me. SL is supported on Linux and that makes my reach as global as it gets. 

Coming to SL , it packs quite a punch for developing web applications. One can leverage past MS development tools and language experience to develop an app in SL. For e.g. If I have WPF based apps, moving them to SL is quick and easy. So, as a company, if I am used to MS tools for development, I can&#039;t go wrong with SL. The quality of UI that SL supports is on par with what Flash can do or even better. Now comparing this to Flash development -  I need to buy expensive development platform from Adobe, get myself trained in Flash which isn&#039;t the same as programming in say C++ or so, learn AS and the whole timeline thing etc. With all that said, just because MS doesn&#039;t provide access to mic, should we not be able to create applications that can interact with voice? Given that even in SL3, mic support isn&#039;t yet proposed, are we just to wait ?  MS, are you listening?

The way I look at it, tringme has opened doors not only to make SL apps interact using voice but also for Redmond to take notice of the absence of mic support. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if this little hack forces MS to bring in mic support sooner than what they have planned - maybe even in SL3 for all you know.

Also, I can develop the app today using this hack and once MS supports mic in SL, I can transition over to a widget that is fully SL based. Atleast, I can get going today without having to wait for MS to support it right-away. 

Although I agree that this might be a weird hack, its well thought off. However strange it may be, I wouldn&#039;t mind using it to start with. The impact of this  hack is probably far larger than what is apparently visible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this discussion getting into the religious territory of Flash vs. Silverlight. </p>
<p>Silverlight (SL) is a powerful technology and I believe has a great future. MS generally gets it right when it is going behind an established market (remember Netscape and IE?). The development tools are available for FREE and might I say, really user-friendly and intuitive. Development can be done using any of the supported languages &#8211; C#, VB.NET, C++ etc. Even the debugger support is great. Overall, as a developer, I am in awe of the tools available for me. SL is supported on Linux and that makes my reach as global as it gets. </p>
<p>Coming to SL , it packs quite a punch for developing web applications. One can leverage past MS development tools and language experience to develop an app in SL. For e.g. If I have WPF based apps, moving them to SL is quick and easy. So, as a company, if I am used to MS tools for development, I can&#8217;t go wrong with SL. The quality of UI that SL supports is on par with what Flash can do or even better. Now comparing this to Flash development &#8211;  I need to buy expensive development platform from Adobe, get myself trained in Flash which isn&#8217;t the same as programming in say C++ or so, learn AS and the whole timeline thing etc. With all that said, just because MS doesn&#8217;t provide access to mic, should we not be able to create applications that can interact with voice? Given that even in SL3, mic support isn&#8217;t yet proposed, are we just to wait ?  MS, are you listening?</p>
<p>The way I look at it, tringme has opened doors not only to make SL apps interact using voice but also for Redmond to take notice of the absence of mic support. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if this little hack forces MS to bring in mic support sooner than what they have planned &#8211; maybe even in SL3 for all you know.</p>
<p>Also, I can develop the app today using this hack and once MS supports mic in SL, I can transition over to a widget that is fully SL based. Atleast, I can get going today without having to wait for MS to support it right-away. </p>
<p>Although I agree that this might be a weird hack, its well thought off. However strange it may be, I wouldn&#8217;t mind using it to start with. The impact of this  hack is probably far larger than what is apparently visible.</p>
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		<title>By: aristarkhos</title>
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		<dc:creator>aristarkhos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wht i found more interesting is its PHP implementation for VoIP

http://tinyurl.com/dfb5h7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wht i found more interesting is its PHP implementation for VoIP</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/dfb5h7" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/dfb5h7</a></p>
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		<title>By: aristarkhos</title>
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		<dc:creator>aristarkhos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>better audio-video in SL? I would disagree. the output, in my experience, has almost always been clunky. I am not sure whether Blend lets a dev to create a single exe package like Flash.
Flash-based apps can still be light  and i once disagree about SL being light on resources.

SL maybe getting adopted by a few people but that is not a sign of things to come. SL still needs to mature...and that can happen only when MS dev does something to improve it.
personally, Blend&#039;s UI has to be worst I have ever seen.

TringMe is just trying to make its app saleable by providing it on every platform it can think of.  admitted. it&#039;s not that big a deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>better audio-video in SL? I would disagree. the output, in my experience, has almost always been clunky. I am not sure whether Blend lets a dev to create a single exe package like Flash.<br />
Flash-based apps can still be light  and i once disagree about SL being light on resources.</p>
<p>SL maybe getting adopted by a few people but that is not a sign of things to come. SL still needs to mature&#8230;and that can happen only when MS dev does something to improve it.<br />
personally, Blend&#8217;s UI has to be worst I have ever seen.</p>
<p>TringMe is just trying to make its app saleable by providing it on every platform it can think of.  admitted. it&#8217;s not that big a deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is called &#039;crafty code&#039; - brilliant. MS reading this? give us mic please, till then we&#039;ll use tringme</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is called &#8216;crafty code&#8217; &#8211; brilliant. MS reading this? give us mic please, till then we&#8217;ll use tringme</p>
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		<title>By: Vengu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vengu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second chris. That exactly what it is. 
And leena, we expect much more from you and TC :-).
Not some report on a silly hack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second chris. That exactly what it is.<br />
And leena, we expect much more from you and TC :-).<br />
Not some report on a silly hack.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im sorry this is totally stupid. Its just flash streaming the audio via RTMP to the server. I could hook js or anything that runs in a browser and can talk to js up to flash and do the same thing. What&#039;s the point. Why not just use flash? 

And no its not what google did. Google have added different camera drivers and send the audio / video using their own encoder and protocol to the server. All flash is used for is showing the video in the browser without requiring another plugin. Quite smart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sorry this is totally stupid. Its just flash streaming the audio via RTMP to the server. I could hook js or anything that runs in a browser and can talk to js up to flash and do the same thing. What&#8217;s the point. Why not just use flash? </p>
<p>And no its not what google did. Google have added different camera drivers and send the audio / video using their own encoder and protocol to the server. All flash is used for is showing the video in the browser without requiring another plugin. Quite smart.</p>
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