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		<title>By: reven</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-11056</link>
		<dc:creator>reven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This negative WAVE with TWIT - just step away from the plate - LEO is bigger then u.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This negative WAVE with TWIT &#8211; just step away from the plate &#8211; LEO is bigger then u.</p>
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		<title>By: John Stack</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10980</link>
		<dc:creator>John Stack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Wave will have a serious impact on product directions for both Msft MOSS and IBM/Lotus Domino - to the enterprise customer&#039;s benefit.  I think you were dead on about strategy; however, I think enterprise thinks quite differently and not as quickly.  They&#039;re still learning Web 2.0.

While Microsoft has their gunsights on the remaining 25M Domino seats, they&#039;ve probably noted that many of the document paradigms (and successes) are an adtaption of what Mr. Ozzie et. al (Ray, Jack, Mussie Shore, others (maybe even Bob Balaban (oh hi bob!)) of Iris Associates and Lotus created.  The principle difference being the document store is now a directory with XML versus a single object-oriented database.  The DNA?  Unids are similar.  Parent child relationships are similar.  Security inheritance different (for some reason.) Near instant, authenticated, communications with stateful client sessions.

What Google must remember is that within the enterprise, IT has to support the nearly 100% connected user.  The nearly part is what&#039;s going to get you - they&#039;re the Information Workers.

(Guys, you can have a protocol but without a server and APIs, there&#039;s no way to leverage it.)

Regardless, all of this is going to be a GREAT DEAL OF FUN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Wave will have a serious impact on product directions for both Msft MOSS and IBM/Lotus Domino &#8211; to the enterprise customer&#8217;s benefit.  I think you were dead on about strategy; however, I think enterprise thinks quite differently and not as quickly.  They&#8217;re still learning Web 2.0.</p>
<p>While Microsoft has their gunsights on the remaining 25M Domino seats, they&#8217;ve probably noted that many of the document paradigms (and successes) are an adtaption of what Mr. Ozzie et. al (Ray, Jack, Mussie Shore, others (maybe even Bob Balaban (oh hi bob!)) of Iris Associates and Lotus created.  The principle difference being the document store is now a directory with XML versus a single object-oriented database.  The DNA?  Unids are similar.  Parent child relationships are similar.  Security inheritance different (for some reason.) Near instant, authenticated, communications with stateful client sessions.</p>
<p>What Google must remember is that within the enterprise, IT has to support the nearly 100% connected user.  The nearly part is what&#8217;s going to get you &#8211; they&#8217;re the Information Workers.</p>
<p>(Guys, you can have a protocol but without a server and APIs, there&#8217;s no way to leverage it.)</p>
<p>Regardless, all of this is going to be a GREAT DEAL OF FUN!</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Sieling</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10936</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Sieling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Crazy sounding, isn’t it.

No, not at all actually. It sounds like the first shoe of the next big thing dropping. Great analysis, Steve. Please keep it up, and more podcasts if at all possible, I really miss them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Crazy sounding, isn’t it.</p>
<p>No, not at all actually. It sounds like the first shoe of the next big thing dropping. Great analysis, Steve. Please keep it up, and more podcasts if at all possible, I really miss them.</p>
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		<title>By: bbebop</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10932</link>
		<dc:creator>bbebop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I like about Steve Gillmor is he always makes me think. This piece doesn&#039;t resonate as much, mostly because he frames it as a winner-take-all contest between Google and Microsoft, and his examples of how Microsoft can compete don&#039;t make sense to me.

If I were Microsoft, I would embrace, extend and embed Wave everywhere. What I wouldn&#039;t do is try to come up with something new/better/different, especially if it&#039;s proprietary. No one will trust Microsoft on anything like that. Maybe enterprises, but open source, open access is where we&#039;re headed.

As with Twitter, the big question is how this gets monetized. With widespread adoption of Google Wave, there have to be opportunities for Google, Microsoft and companies we&#039;ve never heard of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I like about Steve Gillmor is he always makes me think. This piece doesn&#8217;t resonate as much, mostly because he frames it as a winner-take-all contest between Google and Microsoft, and his examples of how Microsoft can compete don&#8217;t make sense to me.</p>
<p>If I were Microsoft, I would embrace, extend and embed Wave everywhere. What I wouldn&#8217;t do is try to come up with something new/better/different, especially if it&#8217;s proprietary. No one will trust Microsoft on anything like that. Maybe enterprises, but open source, open access is where we&#8217;re headed.</p>
<p>As with Twitter, the big question is how this gets monetized. With widespread adoption of Google Wave, there have to be opportunities for Google, Microsoft and companies we&#8217;ve never heard of.</p>
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		<title>By: lokesh</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10931</link>
		<dc:creator>lokesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice Post Steve.
Its a api, its a protocol..
Its a big leap in the collaboration and real time communication space. With open sourcing it, Google has opened the doors for much more innovations and contributions from the open source community.

~Lokesh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice Post Steve.<br />
Its a api, its a protocol..<br />
Its a big leap in the collaboration and real time communication space. With open sourcing it, Google has opened the doors for much more innovations and contributions from the open source community.</p>
<p>~Lokesh</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="510878646">Francine Hardaway</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10904</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="510878646">Francine Hardaway</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I have another thought, but you need to finish it for me.  Somehow, what I noticed in trying Bing is connected to all this.  In Bing, I found information about myself that was quite real time, quite relevant, and pretty shocking, since I had forgotten a lot of it was out there, although I&#039;m trained in the transparent life.

So there is a stream of gestures that either MSFT or GOOG can and will take advantage and possesion of. This raises many questions in my mind.

Coffee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I have another thought, but you need to finish it for me.  Somehow, what I noticed in trying Bing is connected to all this.  In Bing, I found information about myself that was quite real time, quite relevant, and pretty shocking, since I had forgotten a lot of it was out there, although I&#8217;m trained in the transparent life.</p>
<p>So there is a stream of gestures that either MSFT or GOOG can and will take advantage and possesion of. This raises many questions in my mind.</p>
<p>Coffee?</p>
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		<title>By: yep</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10902</link>
		<dc:creator>yep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed. nice post, Steve. No razors either! ;-P

Wave/Mesh are scaring the smile out of me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed. nice post, Steve. No razors either! ;-P</p>
<p>Wave/Mesh are scaring the smile out of me!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10896</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year when Live Mesh was demoed at the Azure announcement, Ray Ozzie said that &#039;an open source product using a protocol such as XMPP could be competition&#039;...

and so it is :-).

Great vindication for the XMPP folks who&#039;ve spent years trying to tell people that it was always much more than just about chat...

- Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year when Live Mesh was demoed at the Azure announcement, Ray Ozzie said that &#8216;an open source product using a protocol such as XMPP could be competition&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>and so it is :-).</p>
<p>Great vindication for the XMPP folks who&#8217;ve spent years trying to tell people that it was always much more than just about chat&#8230;</p>
<p>- Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10892</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice to read thoughtful commentary on the implications of Wave instead of someone just trying to nit pick alpha quality software.

This could have a huge impact in the Content Management Systems market.  Especially if Google transitions Apps to Wave and instantly start with tens of millions of users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to read thoughtful commentary on the implications of Wave instead of someone just trying to nit pick alpha quality software.</p>
<p>This could have a huge impact in the Content Management Systems market.  Especially if Google transitions Apps to Wave and instantly start with tens of millions of users.</p>
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		<title>By: Google Waves Prévisualisation &#124; Kimind Consulting</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10888</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Waves Prévisualisation &#124; Kimind Consulting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] update : lire l&#8217;intéressant article de TechCrunchIT dédié au sujet. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Gjerdingen</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10886</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Gjerdingen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - love your energy and style.  This will be fun to watch when it is delivered.  I am a bit suspect in believing G has an exclusive on an obvious space, but who knows.

- scott -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; love your energy and style.  This will be fun to watch when it is delivered.  I am a bit suspect in believing G has an exclusive on an obvious space, but who knows.</p>
<p>- scott -</p>
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		<title>By: clibou</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10881</link>
		<dc:creator>clibou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A seminal work comparing core technologies from the 2 giants that matter. The outcome will guide 100&#039;s off millions of pent up spending in the enterprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A seminal work comparing core technologies from the 2 giants that matter. The outcome will guide 100&#8217;s off millions of pent up spending in the enterprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10880</link>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vitor, suggest you go watch the video. What they demo&#039;d was game-changing. The APIs you list look like a squirt gun next to google&#039;s nuke. They&#039;ve already published the white papers and provided developers with a sandbox.

This is not an API. It&#039;s a protocol. Shrug it off at your own peril</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vitor, suggest you go watch the video. What they demo&#8217;d was game-changing. The APIs you list look like a squirt gun next to google&#8217;s nuke. They&#8217;ve already published the white papers and provided developers with a sandbox.</p>
<p>This is not an API. It&#8217;s a protocol. Shrug it off at your own peril</p>
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		<title>By: vitor</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10879</link>
		<dc:creator>vitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When Lars, Jens, and Stephanie demonstrated a Wave extension that provided robot-scraping grammar-checking in realtime, they put the lie to the common wisdom that Office was invulnerable to the Web.&quot;

That&#039;s MP?? A simple edit window of Firefox can spell-check, which makes me wonder what makes Wave that much different from Facebook Framework, M$ Live Framework, MySpace APIs and so on? It seems every one has an over-hyped Web framework that never really matters and now Google jumps on the same bandwagon. Last year it was APP Engine which was hyped up as the killer cloud environment, well, whatever happened to that killer? It&#039;s all silence recently. Google needs to deliver real meat instead of gimmick hypes all the time.  It starts to feel like the Java all over again, beautiful talk w/ no meaningful follow-ups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When Lars, Jens, and Stephanie demonstrated a Wave extension that provided robot-scraping grammar-checking in realtime, they put the lie to the common wisdom that Office was invulnerable to the Web.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s MP?? A simple edit window of Firefox can spell-check, which makes me wonder what makes Wave that much different from Facebook Framework, M$ Live Framework, MySpace APIs and so on? It seems every one has an over-hyped Web framework that never really matters and now Google jumps on the same bandwagon. Last year it was APP Engine which was hyped up as the killer cloud environment, well, whatever happened to that killer? It&#8217;s all silence recently. Google needs to deliver real meat instead of gimmick hypes all the time.  It starts to feel like the Java all over again, beautiful talk w/ no meaningful follow-ups.</p>
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		<title>By: Google Wave: a tsunami or a few ripples? &#124; AccMan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10878</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Wave: a tsunami or a few ripples? &#124; AccMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an analysis that concentrates on the productivity elements but wonders how it gets monetized. Steve Gillmor on the other hand reckons he knows the answer: Let’s say the micromessaging stream reports some event that suggests a shift in interest rates, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an analysis that concentrates on the productivity elements but wonders how it gets monetized. Steve Gillmor on the other hand reckons he knows the answer: Let’s say the micromessaging stream reports some event that suggests a shift in interest rates, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PXLated</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10876</link>
		<dc:creator>PXLated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Steve - And, I could actually understand it ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Steve &#8211; And, I could actually understand it ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: 12Sided, The Blog &#187; Wave in the Cloud&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/01/the-manhattan-project/comment-page-1/#comment-10875</link>
		<dc:creator>12Sided, The Blog &#187; Wave in the Cloud&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update Another great read on Google Wave and Microsoft @ TechCrunch: The Manhattan Project. [...]</description>
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