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		<title>By: A look at Office 2010 &#171; Sanja Djuretic&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11904</link>
		<dc:creator>A look at Office 2010 &#171; Sanja Djuretic&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rumors about Microsoft Office Web Applications O2010 Following quotes are from: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/071409-microsoft-office.html?page=1 http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rumors about Microsoft Office Web Applications O2010 Following quotes are from: <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/071409-microsoft-office.html?page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/071409-microsoft-office.html?page=1</a> <a href="http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1218568">Nick Gonzalez</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11798</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1218568">Nick Gonzalez</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From where I&#039;m sitting, over in the advertising world, Silverlight&#039;s first advance will be through creative agencies leveraging the really impressive array of preloaded controls they have lined up (granted, I&#039;m no flash expert who can really compare). http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/overview/top-features/default.aspx

I also grabbed an interesting tidbit from another article about office apps hinting at MSFT&#039;s domination of the category:

&quot;Microsoft says Office Web Applications will be free to some 400 million Windows Live consumers, 90 million corporate Office customers with Software Assurance consumers and 510 million existing Office users via online hosting.&quot; via http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/071409-microsoft-office.html?page=2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From where I&#8217;m sitting, over in the advertising world, Silverlight&#8217;s first advance will be through creative agencies leveraging the really impressive array of preloaded controls they have lined up (granted, I&#8217;m no flash expert who can really compare). <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/overview/top-features/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/overview/top-features/default.aspx</a></p>
<p>I also grabbed an interesting tidbit from another article about office apps hinting at MSFT&#8217;s domination of the category:</p>
<p>&#8220;Microsoft says Office Web Applications will be free to some 400 million Windows Live consumers, 90 million corporate Office customers with Software Assurance consumers and 510 million existing Office users via online hosting.&#8221; via <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/071409-microsoft-office.html?page=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/071409-microsoft-office.html?page=2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Abhijit C</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11770</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhijit C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the article is SPOT ON... and I believe if Microsoft continues its good work (which it seldomly does) like with timely release of Bing, opening about Mono licensing, web release of Office, Silverlight 3; it will give a good run for money (read users for google) for competitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the article is SPOT ON&#8230; and I believe if Microsoft continues its good work (which it seldomly does) like with timely release of Bing, opening about Mono licensing, web release of Office, Silverlight 3; it will give a good run for money (read users for google) for competitors.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Gillmor</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11765</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internal buyin is a political story, nothing else. Microsoft doesn&#039;t want to do SIlverlight Office, right up until they need to. O210 Web is not a missed opportunity; it never was going to be. But Silverlight will be the rallying point for partners to sell the cross-platform Web OS, and MS will counteract Google, Salesforce, and Oracle with more robust enterprise features to the point where the developer buyin favors Silverlight first and WPF as a hole filler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internal buyin is a political story, nothing else. Microsoft doesn&#8217;t want to do SIlverlight Office, right up until they need to. O210 Web is not a missed opportunity; it never was going to be. But Silverlight will be the rallying point for partners to sell the cross-platform Web OS, and MS will counteract Google, Salesforce, and Oracle with more robust enterprise features to the point where the developer buyin favors Silverlight first and WPF as a hole filler.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11763</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;The so-called Office 2.0 apps will be increasingly cross-engaged with the O2010 Web stuff

But how? The underlying data backend is Sharepoint for O2010 web, which is the best hook to get at it. But that&#039;s just raw data (in proprietary web API too, i.e. no RSS/ATOM here). We all know Office is 51% about the features on the data.

In terms of actual features, i.e. changing behavior or hooking into how the O2010 web apps work there is *very* slim pickings when compare to the desktop offerings.

The Google connectors are an example of adding an interface add-in around the &#039;traditional&#039; Office API, i.e. the desktop (it uses a combination of COM(!) and MAPI in Outlook FWIW). (There is an irony here in that Gmail is pretty much unextensible, while Outlook/Exchange are literally dripping with API&#039;s for ISVs - i.e. Google is pretty much a &#039;closed app&#039;)

Those things were possible because Office is/was a desktop app. My point for your point above is that this really reenforces that O2010 Web has no extensibility story other than getting to the data - and that&#039;s only be if you can get past the &#039;Sharepoint Gatekeepers&#039; to enable access.

I think O2010 web is a missed opportunity for Microsoft. Very dissapointed with Ray Ozzie in terms of coordination of tech platforms/strategy. I&#039;m a CTO of a public company (hence anon here) but if I&#039;d let this amount of &#039;tomorrow&#039;s legacy code&#039; go ahead, knowing that it&#039;s on the wrong platform, then I&#039;d be fired. 

How can you have a credible SL 3 story when you can&#039;t even get your own internal teams to use it? i.e. my first reaction is that the productivitity ROI must be bullsh*it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;The so-called Office 2.0 apps will be increasingly cross-engaged with the O2010 Web stuff</p>
<p>But how? The underlying data backend is Sharepoint for O2010 web, which is the best hook to get at it. But that&#8217;s just raw data (in proprietary web API too, i.e. no RSS/ATOM here). We all know Office is 51% about the features on the data.</p>
<p>In terms of actual features, i.e. changing behavior or hooking into how the O2010 web apps work there is *very* slim pickings when compare to the desktop offerings.</p>
<p>The Google connectors are an example of adding an interface add-in around the &#8216;traditional&#8217; Office API, i.e. the desktop (it uses a combination of COM(!) and MAPI in Outlook FWIW). (There is an irony here in that Gmail is pretty much unextensible, while Outlook/Exchange are literally dripping with API&#8217;s for ISVs &#8211; i.e. Google is pretty much a &#8216;closed app&#8217;)</p>
<p>Those things were possible because Office is/was a desktop app. My point for your point above is that this really reenforces that O2010 Web has no extensibility story other than getting to the data &#8211; and that&#8217;s only be if you can get past the &#8216;Sharepoint Gatekeepers&#8217; to enable access.</p>
<p>I think O2010 web is a missed opportunity for Microsoft. Very dissapointed with Ray Ozzie in terms of coordination of tech platforms/strategy. I&#8217;m a CTO of a public company (hence anon here) but if I&#8217;d let this amount of &#8216;tomorrow&#8217;s legacy code&#8217; go ahead, knowing that it&#8217;s on the wrong platform, then I&#8217;d be fired. </p>
<p>How can you have a credible SL 3 story when you can&#8217;t even get your own internal teams to use it? i.e. my first reaction is that the productivitity ROI must be bullsh*it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1081141368">Jeff Weber</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11760</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1081141368">Jeff Weber</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another interesting piece of the puzzle for Office is Mesh.  How will they utilize it? 

Using Mesh for communication/sync, I could see O2010 starting to look a little bit like Google Wave.

Not to mention the things 3rd party devs will tack on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another interesting piece of the puzzle for Office is Mesh.  How will they utilize it? </p>
<p>Using Mesh for communication/sync, I could see O2010 starting to look a little bit like Google Wave.</p>
<p>Not to mention the things 3rd party devs will tack on.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Gillmor</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11757</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ajax is a workaround, but it has spawned Google&#039;s strategy. The so-called Office 2.0 apps will be increasingly cross-engaged with the O2010 Web stuff. Google connectors to Exchange/Outlook and Notes are the first of many examples. The former uses MAPI, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ajax is a workaround, but it has spawned Google&#8217;s strategy. The so-called Office 2.0 apps will be increasingly cross-engaged with the O2010 Web stuff. Google connectors to Exchange/Outlook and Notes are the first of many examples. The former uses MAPI, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Gillmor</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11756</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google&#039;s dev strategy is HTML 5, not Flash/AIR. They&#039;ve been finessing this for months, with video chat using Flash, with video demos at I/O that are not HTML 5 ready, and so on. Silverlight has no such alignment issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google&#8217;s dev strategy is HTML 5, not Flash/AIR. They&#8217;ve been finessing this for months, with video chat using Flash, with video demos at I/O that are not HTML 5 ready, and so on. Silverlight has no such alignment issues.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11751</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, one blind spot in your argument is that (unfortunately) there is no Api around these closed web apps. Until a true SL office comes along then the web versions are effectively closed for improvements in collaboration etc. 

Example: Exchange Outlook Web Acess is one of the most complex and well used Ajax web apps ever built. Number of 3rd party improvements built on it = zero.

Forget things like greasemonkey too, you can&#039;t run even a small business praying that a vendors magic numbers inside their Htm/scriptl won&#039;t change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, one blind spot in your argument is that (unfortunately) there is no Api around these closed web apps. Until a true SL office comes along then the web versions are effectively closed for improvements in collaboration etc. </p>
<p>Example: Exchange Outlook Web Acess is one of the most complex and well used Ajax web apps ever built. Number of 3rd party improvements built on it = zero.</p>
<p>Forget things like greasemonkey too, you can&#8217;t run even a small business praying that a vendors magic numbers inside their Htm/scriptl won&#8217;t change.</p>
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		<title>By: peter cowan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11744</link>
		<dc:creator>peter cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Meanwhile, video is going berserk on the network, thanks to the iPhone 3GS and live streaming video. YouTube is perfectly positioned as a repository, with H.264 working seamlessly on the iPhone and in Silverlight 3. It’s the real standard, but not in HTML 5. In effect, Silverlight is the analog container to iPhone 3 OS. On the phone, H.264. On the desktop, H.264. In Google land, it’s still Flash on the desktop. A minor speed bump, but a bump none the less.&quot;

Flash and AIR support H.264, so what&#039;s the speed bump? what am i missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Meanwhile, video is going berserk on the network, thanks to the iPhone 3GS and live streaming video. YouTube is perfectly positioned as a repository, with H.264 working seamlessly on the iPhone and in Silverlight 3. It’s the real standard, but not in HTML 5. In effect, Silverlight is the analog container to iPhone 3 OS. On the phone, H.264. On the desktop, H.264. In Google land, it’s still Flash on the desktop. A minor speed bump, but a bump none the less.&#8221;</p>
<p>Flash and AIR support H.264, so what&#8217;s the speed bump? what am i missing?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Weber</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11740</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My gut tells me Win Mobile 7 will also be the first platform with Silverlight support.  Probably Silverlight 4.
Possibly all three will be released around the same time? (Silverlight 4, &quot;Silverlight&quot; Office, and Win Mobile 7) 

Pure speculation of course.

I just know they mentioned they would maintain both an Ajax version and a Silverlight version.  I think that was talked about at Mix 09??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My gut tells me Win Mobile 7 will also be the first platform with Silverlight support.  Probably Silverlight 4.<br />
Possibly all three will be released around the same time? (Silverlight 4, &#8220;Silverlight&#8221; Office, and Win Mobile 7) </p>
<p>Pure speculation of course.</p>
<p>I just know they mentioned they would maintain both an Ajax version and a Silverlight version.  I think that was talked about at Mix 09??</p>
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		<title>By: vitor</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11724</link>
		<dc:creator>vitor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. If I were to built any serious online App like an online Office, I&#039;d go w/ SilverLight, Flash or JavaFX (if Oracle really stands behind it). I would not touch HTML5 no matter how much lip service they dish out. Heck, there should not be a lot difference between online and desktop Apps to begin w/. To me the only difference is where they get the data, one from internet the other local.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. If I were to built any serious online App like an online Office, I&#8217;d go w/ SilverLight, Flash or JavaFX (if Oracle really stands behind it). I would not touch HTML5 no matter how much lip service they dish out. Heck, there should not be a lot difference between online and desktop Apps to begin w/. To me the only difference is where they get the data, one from internet the other local.</p>
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		<title>By: jtio</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11721</link>
		<dc:creator>jtio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you guys think this Silverlight strategy won&#039;t actually play out until WinMo 7 is released?  That is my thought.  I was wondering why O2010 wasn&#039;t releasing soon and I think WinMo 7 has a lot to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you guys think this Silverlight strategy won&#8217;t actually play out until WinMo 7 is released?  That is my thought.  I was wondering why O2010 wasn&#8217;t releasing soon and I think WinMo 7 has a lot to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Weber</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11705</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Weber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is &quot;Silverlight&quot; office is/will be built on Silverlight 4 and we&#039;ll start seeing previews in that time-frame.

I believe Scott Gunthrie said somewhere that Silverlight 4 is going to be a larger update than Silverilght 3 is/was.

Silverlight 3 doesn&#039;t even have print support yet so I can&#039;t see Office being build on top of it.

My guess is they are going to add all features they need to Silvelight 4 to allow them to build &quot;Silverlight&quot; office.

Sounds good to me!

-Jeff Weber</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is &#8220;Silverlight&#8221; office is/will be built on Silverlight 4 and we&#8217;ll start seeing previews in that time-frame.</p>
<p>I believe Scott Gunthrie said somewhere that Silverlight 4 is going to be a larger update than Silverilght 3 is/was.</p>
<p>Silverlight 3 doesn&#8217;t even have print support yet so I can&#8217;t see Office being build on top of it.</p>
<p>My guess is they are going to add all features they need to Silvelight 4 to allow them to build &#8220;Silverlight&#8221; office.</p>
<p>Sounds good to me!</p>
<p>-Jeff Weber</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/07/14/silverlight-office/comment-page-1/#comment-11702</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t underestimate how hard it is to develop a drag/drop designer type experience within Silverlight, and the rendering of documents. Initially video and data driven apps will be the norm, so sure desktop clients for the likes of Twitter. But creating a full Word/Powerpoint type editor within Silverlight - are you seriously seeing that coming in the near term? It&#039;s more document upload/download/preview controls in Silverlight that I see being added to Office online. That&#039;s what Microsoft people have spoken about - using Silverlight for very specific modules, bits of these new apps.

I&#039;m slightly confused by your coined &quot;Silverlight Office&quot; term. Doesn&#039;t really make the story clearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t underestimate how hard it is to develop a drag/drop designer type experience within Silverlight, and the rendering of documents. Initially video and data driven apps will be the norm, so sure desktop clients for the likes of Twitter. But creating a full Word/Powerpoint type editor within Silverlight &#8211; are you seriously seeing that coming in the near term? It&#8217;s more document upload/download/preview controls in Silverlight that I see being added to Office online. That&#8217;s what Microsoft people have spoken about &#8211; using Silverlight for very specific modules, bits of these new apps.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m slightly confused by your coined &#8220;Silverlight Office&#8221; term. Doesn&#8217;t really make the story clearer.</p>
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