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		<title>By: Robert N. Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12751</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert N. Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tether, run FTP and web *servers,* use apps like Locale and Carr Matey that require background processes, install and run unauthorized software, and install and download from alternate markets, even, without even getting root access to my Android phone.

And if I do root it, that&#039;s not the same as &quot;jailbreaking&quot; - I&#039;m still getting a replacement gratis if the phone.

Personally, I enjoy doing business with companies that don&#039;t require me to trust them. Faith is for friends and spouses and Jesus, not corporations.

Oh and I can MMS pics to my kids&#039; dumb phones with my Android phone, no trust in, hope for, or charity toward Google required on my part. I just can, right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tether, run FTP and web *servers,* use apps like Locale and Carr Matey that require background processes, install and run unauthorized software, and install and download from alternate markets, even, without even getting root access to my Android phone.</p>
<p>And if I do root it, that&#8217;s not the same as &#8220;jailbreaking&#8221; &#8211; I&#8217;m still getting a replacement gratis if the phone.</p>
<p>Personally, I enjoy doing business with companies that don&#8217;t require me to trust them. Faith is for friends and spouses and Jesus, not corporations.</p>
<p>Oh and I can MMS pics to my kids&#8217; dumb phones with my Android phone, no trust in, hope for, or charity toward Google required on my part. I just can, right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Korf</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12744</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Korf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How soon until mass routing around apple begins to happen? - I am tethering with my iphone when I need to without jailbreaking the iPhone. Others have the Google app before it was pulled. In general Apple still has my trust - if they let a few more things like the Yelp AR app slip through, all the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How soon until mass routing around apple begins to happen? &#8211; I am tethering with my iphone when I need to without jailbreaking the iPhone. Others have the Google app before it was pulled. In general Apple still has my trust &#8211; if they let a few more things like the Yelp AR app slip through, all the better.</p>
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		<title>By: The Real Truth about Apple and Google and Arrington &#124; Ted Eytan, MD</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12601</link>
		<dc:creator>The Real Truth about Apple and Google and Arrington &#124; Ted Eytan, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Real Truth about Apple and Google and Arrington &#8211; A fascinating look at the upheaval of the telephone/carrier industry brought about in a roundabout way by Apple and Google. What are the similarities in other industries, from trains, to planes, to music, and ultimately health care? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Real Truth about Apple and Google and Arrington &#8211; A fascinating look at the upheaval of the telephone/carrier industry brought about in a roundabout way by Apple and Google. What are the similarities in other industries, from trains, to planes, to music, and ultimately health care? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert N. Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12594</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert N. Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t get where you&#039;re getting this Google Maximizing Some Hypothetical Moving the Voicemail Off the Device Market. Google makes money off search, still, primarily. If what you&#039;re suggesting is that voicemail search might be important later, okay, sure. But now we&#039;re back into anti-competitive territory, and Apple&#039;s still trying to keep apps off its very popular platform if they want to make stuff that does the same things.

Which is pretty much what antitrust law was invented for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t get where you&#8217;re getting this Google Maximizing Some Hypothetical Moving the Voicemail Off the Device Market. Google makes money off search, still, primarily. If what you&#8217;re suggesting is that voicemail search might be important later, okay, sure. But now we&#8217;re back into anti-competitive territory, and Apple&#8217;s still trying to keep apps off its very popular platform if they want to make stuff that does the same things.</p>
<p>Which is pretty much what antitrust law was invented for.</p>
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		<title>By: MobileGuru</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12585</link>
		<dc:creator>MobileGuru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;this is the perfect time for the FCC to become Apple and Google’s catspaw&quot; - Drunken Economist 

&quot;Apple is conspiring with Google to force the FCC to “force” Apple to, regrettably, open the door to VoIP and the Universal Inbox. &quot; - Steve Gillmor

Interesting thoughts/sounds bytes..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;this is the perfect time for the FCC to become Apple and Google’s catspaw&#8221; &#8211; Drunken Economist </p>
<p>&#8220;Apple is conspiring with Google to force the FCC to “force” Apple to, regrettably, open the door to VoIP and the Universal Inbox. &#8221; &#8211; Steve Gillmor</p>
<p>Interesting thoughts/sounds bytes..</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12528</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 21:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I once sent a message from Gmail to a Chinese friends. My gmail account was plastered with ads in Chinese characters. That was creepy and one of the reasons I stopped using their service.&quot;

Do you really think some person is able to endure the boredom of actually reading your email? Google is about algorithms and execution. Your email is filtered through algorithms to attempt to provide a better result for advertisers and present ads that have a better chance of actually being useful to you. You can choose to ignore the ads. In any case they pay for your email service.

Since it does (apparently) matter to you that your email was being examined by Google&#039;s algorithms for commercial reasons, you should know that it is still being examined by conceivably more insidious organizations (NSA and other national intelligence organizations with global ambitions). When you use (unencrypted) email, you are using the equivalent of post cards for communication. But in this case it isn&#039;t your friendly neighborhood postman who can scan your messages. If you care then encrypt, but frankly, almost nobody does.

The GoogleBooks incident is about books that have been long abandoned by publishers (long out of print and available only at research libraries) who are only interested now that someone has done the work to possibly make them available and useful again. A project in which those parties showed no interest until Google&#039;s work and Congress&#039;s and the Court&#039;s decision to create perpetual copyright made it a simple matter of forcing expensive litigation.

Your comment about Palm Pre and Apple is nonsense. Apple does supply public API&#039;s for individuals and companies to use. People who use those are usually treated well. If you reverse engineer and hack into software and systems then the results are almost always ephemeral. That reality is common to Apple, Microsoft, Palm or any other organization that supports public API&#039;s. To pretend otherwise is dumb, playing dumb, or possibly naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I once sent a message from Gmail to a Chinese friends. My gmail account was plastered with ads in Chinese characters. That was creepy and one of the reasons I stopped using their service.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you really think some person is able to endure the boredom of actually reading your email? Google is about algorithms and execution. Your email is filtered through algorithms to attempt to provide a better result for advertisers and present ads that have a better chance of actually being useful to you. You can choose to ignore the ads. In any case they pay for your email service.</p>
<p>Since it does (apparently) matter to you that your email was being examined by Google&#8217;s algorithms for commercial reasons, you should know that it is still being examined by conceivably more insidious organizations (NSA and other national intelligence organizations with global ambitions). When you use (unencrypted) email, you are using the equivalent of post cards for communication. But in this case it isn&#8217;t your friendly neighborhood postman who can scan your messages. If you care then encrypt, but frankly, almost nobody does.</p>
<p>The GoogleBooks incident is about books that have been long abandoned by publishers (long out of print and available only at research libraries) who are only interested now that someone has done the work to possibly make them available and useful again. A project in which those parties showed no interest until Google&#8217;s work and Congress&#8217;s and the Court&#8217;s decision to create perpetual copyright made it a simple matter of forcing expensive litigation.</p>
<p>Your comment about Palm Pre and Apple is nonsense. Apple does supply public API&#8217;s for individuals and companies to use. People who use those are usually treated well. If you reverse engineer and hack into software and systems then the results are almost always ephemeral. That reality is common to Apple, Microsoft, Palm or any other organization that supports public API&#8217;s. To pretend otherwise is dumb, playing dumb, or possibly naive.</p>
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		<title>By: tbsnetworks - Arrington to Apple: Liar liar pants on fire</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12524</link>
		<dc:creator>tbsnetworks - Arrington to Apple: Liar liar pants on fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] colleague Steve Gillmor goes one step further. He writes in TechCrunchIT that the whole Google Voice affair is a Machiavellian plot against &#8212; you guessed it &#8212; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] colleague Steve Gillmor goes one step further. He writes in TechCrunchIT that the whole Google Voice affair is a Machiavellian plot against &#8212; you guessed it &#8212; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Imaxpower</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12523</link>
		<dc:creator>Imaxpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very useful post.. great insight into both the big giants Apple and Google products..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very useful post.. great insight into both the big giants Apple and Google products..</p>
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		<title>By: Packaged software, an accident of history &#124; Software as Services &#124; ZDNet.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12520</link>
		<dc:creator>Packaged software, an accident of history &#124; Software as Services &#124; ZDNet.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are the norm for the emerging generation of smart phones (although the mobile carriers do have some legacy issues of their own that are frustrating for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: altrenda</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12519</link>
		<dc:creator>altrenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what you are saying is Apple makes shiny plastic and a pretty UI, but we will use google apps to get things done.

Works for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what you are saying is Apple makes shiny plastic and a pretty UI, but we will use google apps to get things done.</p>
<p>Works for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Google Voice and the FCC: TechCrunch looks at the statements &#124; TeleRead: Bring the E-Books Home</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12517</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Voice and the FCC: TechCrunch looks at the statements &#124; TeleRead: Bring the E-Books Home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Arrington writes about why he thinks Apple is flat-out lying. (Steve Gillmor of TechCrunch has another look at the controversy, which is interesting but I won’t go into [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Arrington writes about why he thinks Apple is flat-out lying. (Steve Gillmor of TechCrunch has another look at the controversy, which is interesting but I won’t go into [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Gillmor</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12515</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Gillmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Therefore, if Apple is fighting for open standards, why does it shut access to its own platform to competitors, when it suits its purpose?

In order to create the appropriate conditions for a credible alternative that brings another carrier into compliance with the disruption. Once there are two carriers offering similar services, the other carriers and vendors are working in concert to morph the industry to the new paradigm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Therefore, if Apple is fighting for open standards, why does it shut access to its own platform to competitors, when it suits its purpose?</p>
<p>In order to create the appropriate conditions for a credible alternative that brings another carrier into compliance with the disruption. Once there are two carriers offering similar services, the other carriers and vendors are working in concert to morph the industry to the new paradigm.</p>
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		<title>By: Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12514</link>
		<dc:creator>Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 03:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve Bryan. I&#039;ve heard of Mac apologists fanboys, but it&#039;s the first time I see a real Google apologist.

Google doesn&#039;t have to target ads that read your messages&#039; contents to generate ad revenue in Gmail. It can still plaster ads all over its interface without having to peak through your messages. I once sent a message from Gmail to a Chinese friends. My gmail account was plastered with ads in Chinese characters. That was creepy and one of the reasons I stopped using their service.

The copyrights&#039; violations accusation comes from no less than various newspapers, book publishers and writers&#039; industry associations and representatives. GoogleBooks copying books and putting their contents online without first securing any authorization is not an accusation by groups for a quick cash grabs. It&#039;s a means to protect their intellectual property which Google violates freely because it thinks it&#039;s justified to archive the world&#039;s information and tag some stupid context sensitive ad on top of it.

The question about Apple refusing the Palm Pre access to iTunes is about the very open standards and consumer options the author of this article argued Apple was fighting for. Therefore, if Apple is fighting for open standards, why does it shut access to its own platform to competitors, when it suits its purpose?

Again there is no logic in the article above or any of your own comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve Bryan. I&#8217;ve heard of Mac apologists fanboys, but it&#8217;s the first time I see a real Google apologist.</p>
<p>Google doesn&#8217;t have to target ads that read your messages&#8217; contents to generate ad revenue in Gmail. It can still plaster ads all over its interface without having to peak through your messages. I once sent a message from Gmail to a Chinese friends. My gmail account was plastered with ads in Chinese characters. That was creepy and one of the reasons I stopped using their service.</p>
<p>The copyrights&#8217; violations accusation comes from no less than various newspapers, book publishers and writers&#8217; industry associations and representatives. GoogleBooks copying books and putting their contents online without first securing any authorization is not an accusation by groups for a quick cash grabs. It&#8217;s a means to protect their intellectual property which Google violates freely because it thinks it&#8217;s justified to archive the world&#8217;s information and tag some stupid context sensitive ad on top of it.</p>
<p>The question about Apple refusing the Palm Pre access to iTunes is about the very open standards and consumer options the author of this article argued Apple was fighting for. Therefore, if Apple is fighting for open standards, why does it shut access to its own platform to competitors, when it suits its purpose?</p>
<p>Again there is no logic in the article above or any of your own comments.</p>
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		<title>By: zaxzan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12513</link>
		<dc:creator>zaxzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scott your tin foil hat is slipping off your ... pointy head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scott your tin foil hat is slipping off your &#8230; pointy head.</p>
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		<title>By: ipwnguru</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12512</link>
		<dc:creator>ipwnguru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all b.s. anyways.  Apple wants to be a control nazi, you have to jailbreak your phone to put any good apps on it like spoofapp for instance:

 After 192 days Apple has finally rejected SpoofApp.

&quot;We&#039;ve reviewed SpoofApp and determined that we cannot post this version of your iPhone application to the App Store at this time because it allows users to anonymously make calls and/or wrongly identifies the caller ID of the phone (known as Caller ID spoofing). We have chosen to not publish this type of application to the App Store.&quot; - iPhone Developer Program</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all b.s. anyways.  Apple wants to be a control nazi, you have to jailbreak your phone to put any good apps on it like spoofapp for instance:</p>
<p> After 192 days Apple has finally rejected SpoofApp.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve reviewed SpoofApp and determined that we cannot post this version of your iPhone application to the App Store at this time because it allows users to anonymously make calls and/or wrongly identifies the caller ID of the phone (known as Caller ID spoofing). We have chosen to not publish this type of application to the App Store.&#8221; &#8211; iPhone Developer Program</p>
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		<title>By: Roadman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12511</link>
		<dc:creator>Roadman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great writing,

Android is a very powerfull thing.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great writing,</p>
<p>Android is a very powerfull thing&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Synthmeister</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12510</link>
		<dc:creator>Synthmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree, from what I&#039;ve read, Apple might some money off the service plans of the iPhone but makes most of the profit off the hardware sales. Apple has always been a hardware company with &gt;30% profit margins. AT&amp;T eats a big subsidy every time it sells a phone and gives it to Apple. Apple simply spreads out the purchase price of the iPhone over 8 quarters with GAAP accounting.

But Apple does make money off of all phases of the iPhone-hardware sales, app sales, iTunes sales, movies, TV shows, made-for-iPhone peripherals and even a bigger than normal cut of retail through its own Apple stores. 
No one else has figured how to do that yet. 

Apple could sell the iPhone unlocked and untethered to AT&amp;T and still be reeling in ungodly profit growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree, from what I&#8217;ve read, Apple might some money off the service plans of the iPhone but makes most of the profit off the hardware sales. Apple has always been a hardware company with &gt;30% profit margins. AT&amp;T eats a big subsidy every time it sells a phone and gives it to Apple. Apple simply spreads out the purchase price of the iPhone over 8 quarters with GAAP accounting.</p>
<p>But Apple does make money off of all phases of the iPhone-hardware sales, app sales, iTunes sales, movies, TV shows, made-for-iPhone peripherals and even a bigger than normal cut of retail through its own Apple stores.<br />
No one else has figured how to do that yet. </p>
<p>Apple could sell the iPhone unlocked and untethered to AT&amp;T and still be reeling in ungodly profit growth.</p>
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		<title>By: Is Dishonesty at Play in the Apple, AT&#38;T, Google, FCC Quadrangle?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12509</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Dishonesty at Play in the Apple, AT&#38;T, Google, FCC Quadrangle?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the second article, on another of Mike&#8217;s websites, Steve Gillmor says that &#8220;&#8230; Apple is conspiring with Google to force the FCC to “force” Apple to, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the second article, on another of Mike&#8217;s websites, Steve Gillmor says that &#8220;&#8230; Apple is conspiring with Google to force the FCC to “force” Apple to, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 10 specific lies, 2 pointless whines &#38; 1vicious smear Apple told the FCC; also, how the Google Voice app really works (w/iPhone video proof goodness). &#124; Robert N. Lee.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12506</link>
		<dc:creator>10 specific lies, 2 pointless whines &#38; 1vicious smear Apple told the FCC; also, how the Google Voice app really works (w/iPhone video proof goodness). &#124; Robert N. Lee.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been pretty much winging it alone and taking a lot of pot shots for it (this pile of nonsense from his own house, even – I address why calling Google Voice “totally the wave of the future” down below demonstrates [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been pretty much winging it alone and taking a lot of pot shots for it (this pile of nonsense from his own house, even – I address why calling Google Voice “totally the wave of the future” down below demonstrates [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t appear to be kidding so a few explanations might be useful.

Providing email service is not a free endeavor, especially to a huge and ever increasing number of people. Google has always been candid about how they provide targeted ads based on email content. That is how they generate revenue to provide the service. If you don&#039;t approve of the deal then go elsewhere. No one is forcing you to use gmail.

Someone sees an opportunity to extract money from a company with deep pockets by making accusations about copyright violation? Say it ain&#039;t so! Oh, how can the world be so cynical? For reference you should check the differences between accusations and successful prosecution.

&quot;Apple banning the Palm Pre from iTunes&quot;. iTunes is software owned and developed by Apple, not a public utility. By what convoluted thought process does one conclude that Apple has an obligation to provide software and service for a competitor? Palm should be creating new and better software for utilizing their product.

I don&#039;t know what Apple&#039;s contract with AT&amp;T specifies for revenue sharing so unlike others I won&#039;t pretend to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t appear to be kidding so a few explanations might be useful.</p>
<p>Providing email service is not a free endeavor, especially to a huge and ever increasing number of people. Google has always been candid about how they provide targeted ads based on email content. That is how they generate revenue to provide the service. If you don&#8217;t approve of the deal then go elsewhere. No one is forcing you to use gmail.</p>
<p>Someone sees an opportunity to extract money from a company with deep pockets by making accusations about copyright violation? Say it ain&#8217;t so! Oh, how can the world be so cynical? For reference you should check the differences between accusations and successful prosecution.</p>
<p>&#8220;Apple banning the Palm Pre from iTunes&#8221;. iTunes is software owned and developed by Apple, not a public utility. By what convoluted thought process does one conclude that Apple has an obligation to provide software and service for a competitor? Palm should be creating new and better software for utilizing their product.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what Apple&#8217;s contract with AT&amp;T specifies for revenue sharing so unlike others I won&#8217;t pretend to know.</p>
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		<title>By: scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got an HTC Ion running Android from the cupcake source repository and using a sim card from my old G1. I decide what goes into and what does not go into my phone&#039;s OS. Not Google. Not T-Mobile. Pretty soon this ability will be simplified and all users will be empowered to assemble their mobile OS from whatever pieces they choose.

The carriers will need help from the government to stop this. There will be a lot of money flowing through the hands of telecom lobbyists.

Apple will not be able to do anything but watch their mobile OS functionality become more and more irrelevant, just like Windows on the desktop. Jobs will retreat into iTunes and setup defenses to continue his ideological battle there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got an HTC Ion running Android from the cupcake source repository and using a sim card from my old G1. I decide what goes into and what does not go into my phone&#8217;s OS. Not Google. Not T-Mobile. Pretty soon this ability will be simplified and all users will be empowered to assemble their mobile OS from whatever pieces they choose.</p>
<p>The carriers will need help from the government to stop this. There will be a lot of money flowing through the hands of telecom lobbyists.</p>
<p>Apple will not be able to do anything but watch their mobile OS functionality become more and more irrelevant, just like Windows on the desktop. Jobs will retreat into iTunes and setup defenses to continue his ideological battle there.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about profits, not revenue and Apple&#039;s profit growth is largely coming from iPhone service plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about profits, not revenue and Apple&#8217;s profit growth is largely coming from iPhone service plans.</p>
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		<title>By: Drunken Economist</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/08/22/the-real-truth-about-apple-and-google-and-arrington/comment-page-1/#comment-12502</link>
		<dc:creator>Drunken Economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And at first I thought this article was a suck up to the boss. It&#039;s actually quite plausible.

Apple doesn&#039;t need $T. In fact, $T has been causing $APPL quite a lot of embarrassment, compared to carriers outside of North America. 

In fact, after years of negligence, and AT&amp;T not learning their anti-trust lessons from last time this is the perfect time for the FCC to become Apple and Google&#039;s catspaw.

Whatever comes of the Apple-Google-ATT thing, the FCC needs to get more sophisticated with the &#039;net, user privacy and anti-trust in this area -- only one way to do that, get your hands dirty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And at first I thought this article was a suck up to the boss. It&#8217;s actually quite plausible.</p>
<p>Apple doesn&#8217;t need $T. In fact, $T has been causing $APPL quite a lot of embarrassment, compared to carriers outside of North America. </p>
<p>In fact, after years of negligence, and AT&amp;T not learning their anti-trust lessons from last time this is the perfect time for the FCC to become Apple and Google&#8217;s catspaw.</p>
<p>Whatever comes of the Apple-Google-ATT thing, the FCC needs to get more sophisticated with the &#8216;net, user privacy and anti-trust in this area &#8212; only one way to do that, get your hands dirty.</p>
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		<title>By: Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article has a few logical errors.

1-How does Gilmor explains Apple banning the Palm Pre from iTunes?

2-What about the fact that Google is the largest collector of personal data and has been accused by many groups to violate their copyrights?

3-What about the fact that Apple gets a share of every dollar users make when they dial a phone call from their iPhones, unlike other cell phone providers?

4-What about the fact that Google through its free programs, routinely violates the privacy of users and targets them with advertisements based on the contents of their emails, for example?

If people are looking for corporate heroes to rescue them, they should look elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article has a few logical errors.</p>
<p>1-How does Gilmor explains Apple banning the Palm Pre from iTunes?</p>
<p>2-What about the fact that Google is the largest collector of personal data and has been accused by many groups to violate their copyrights?</p>
<p>3-What about the fact that Apple gets a share of every dollar users make when they dial a phone call from their iPhones, unlike other cell phone providers?</p>
<p>4-What about the fact that Google through its free programs, routinely violates the privacy of users and targets them with advertisements based on the contents of their emails, for example?</p>
<p>If people are looking for corporate heroes to rescue them, they should look elsewhere.</p>
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		<dc:creator>kariyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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